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  1. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Aresye View Post
    I still stand by my previous argument, and will back up Daugherty16's viewpoint. There has to be a line drawn somewhere in regards to what arms we are allowed to carry. It isn't about gun control, and it isn't about stopping crime. Today we already have enough issues with people shooting themselves or others, "accidentally." There was a civil war collector a couple years ago that accidentally shot off a cannon that ended up going through a neighbor's house end to end. Luckily nobody was hurt, but my point is that there is a high degree of training when dealing with militarily designed weapons, including fully-automatic rifles and machine guns. Changing the law so anybody can purchase a fully automatic weapon is not practical, nor smart, as the majority of American gun owners have absolutely no idea how to handle one correctly. Should we also be allowed to purchase grenades, RPG's, AAA cannons, etc? Should I be legally allowed to purchase a ZSU-23 for my backyard, as long as I can afford it? Do I have any idea how to use it correctly, and safely? Nope, but dammit it's my right!

    I'd be glad to support the right for people to purchase special types of weapons and explosives, as long as that there are certain safety and training standards to be met. Otherwise you'll eventually end up with a person hitting dozens of innocent civilians behind the bad guy he's shooting at with his fully auto Uzi.

    No special training = NO special weapons.
    o.k. then who decides exactly where the line is drawn. Will you be comfortable if tomorrow that line means you can not own a pistol?
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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  3. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Aresye View Post
    I still stand by my previous argument, and will back up Daugherty16's viewpoint. There has to be a line drawn somewhere in regards to what arms we are allowed to carry. It isn't about gun control, and it isn't about stopping crime. Today we already have enough issues with people shooting themselves or others, "accidentally." There was a civil war collector a couple years ago that accidentally shot off a cannon that ended up going through a neighbor's house end to end. Luckily nobody was hurt, but my point is that there is a high degree of training when dealing with militarily designed weapons, including fully-automatic rifles and machine guns. Changing the law so anybody can purchase a fully automatic weapon is not practical, nor smart, as the majority of American gun owners have absolutely no idea how to handle one correctly. Should we also be allowed to purchase grenades, RPG's, AAA cannons, etc? Should I be legally allowed to purchase a ZSU-23 for my backyard, as long as I can afford it? Do I have any idea how to use it correctly, and safely? Nope, but dammit it's my right!

    I'd be glad to support the right for people to purchase special types of weapons and explosives, as long as that there are certain safety and training standards to be met. Otherwise you'll eventually end up with a person hitting dozens of innocent civilians behind the bad guy he's shooting at with his fully auto Uzi.

    No special training = NO special weapons.
    I hold you are anything but right; misinformed by the biased media and public school system maybe but far from right...

    If there are incentives private or public that encourage people to get training, that is more then sufficient...

    We cannot, no make that MUST NOT, condone the Legislation of acceptable behavior, and morality...

    Its a never ending slippery slope if we do...

    I will acquiesce WHEN you show me where in the Constitution it supports any of your acceptable Second Amendment & Constitutional Infringements...

    Just what part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" do you not understand?

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    Repeal 18 USC 922(o)

    The First Fundamental Principle of Constitutional Interpretation: Your Rights Don't Come From Government
    By Stewart Rhodes (Retired Army Ranger, Yale Educated Attorney & Noted Scholar on the Constitution & Second Amendment and founder of OathKeepers):
    Oath Keepers: CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC 101: YOUR RIGHTS DONíT COME FROM GOVERNMENT

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

  4. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    I hold you are anything but right; misinformed by the biased media and public school system maybe but far from right...

    If there are incentives private or public that encourage people to get training, that is more then sufficient...

    We cannot, no make that MUST NOT, condone the Legislation of acceptable behavior, and morality...

    Its a never ending slippery slope if we do...

    I will acquiesce WHEN you show me where in the Constitution it supports any of your acceptable Second Amendment & Constitutional Infringements...

    Just what part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" do you not understand?

    http://www.usacarry.com/forums/2nd-a...pen-watch.html

    http://www.usacarry.com/forums/2nd-a...fiscation.html

    Repeal 18 USC 922(o)

    The First Fundamental Principle of Constitutional Interpretation: Your Rights Don't Come From Government
    By Stewart Rhodes (Retired Army Ranger, Yale Educated Attorney & Noted Scholar on the Constitution & Second Amendment and founder of OathKeepers):
    Oath Keepers: CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC 101: YOUR RIGHTS DONíT COME FROM GOVERNMENT
    There are no absolute rights in the constitution. "Shall not be infringed" does not mean that one can possess any weapon in any place. That was well settled law long before it was affirmed in District of Columbia v. Heller. One may wish it was otherwise but it is not so.

    Every law is legislation of morality. The legal age of consent is legislation of morality.

  5. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    There are no absolute rights in the constitution. "Shall not be infringed" does not mean that one can possess any weapon in any place. That was well settled law long before it was affirmed in District of Columbia v. Heller. One may wish it was otherwise but it is not so.

    Every law is legislation of morality. The legal age of consent is legislation of morality.
    So then shall not be infringed really means "should not be infringed", or perhaps it means "should only be infringed on occasion", perhaps it is an illusion and is not in the 2nd amendment at all.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

  6. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    There are no absolute rights in the constitution. "Shall not be infringed" does not mean that one can possess any weapon in any place. That was well settled law long before it was affirmed in District of Columbia v. Heller. One may wish it was otherwise but it is not so.

    Every law is legislation of morality. The legal age of consent is legislation of morality.
    Yours is a logical fallacy...

    Exactly where in the Constitution does it say there are conditions on "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"?
    The framers used the most unambiguous language they could possibly use to state the obvious...
    The interpretation of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" means the same today it did 220 years ago...

    Just because IT has been perverted to mean something else, and that we have allowed that activity thus far does not make it Constitutional...

    The only so-called settlement as you infer... IS through our own neglect & ignorance of the Constitution, and the tenets this country was founded on...

    You seem to forget that the Revolutionary War was started at Lexington & Concord because the British tried to arbitrate when & where, what type and much munitions WE THE PEOPLE could possess...
    Ditto for the Alamo...

    To paraphrase Thomas Jefferson, one of the Second Amendments biggest advocates...
    It is every citizens duty to at all times be armed, and to be trained at as early an age as possible to use said armament...

    Thomas Jefferson was known to be always armed and concealed more often then not...
    Yet strangely in all his prolific writings on subjects near & dear to the Second Amendment not once does he mention limitations on type of carry or limitations on types of weapons...
    Ditto for any of the framers...
    Before or after the Ratification of the first 10 Amendments...

    Unlike the Second Amendment, the age of Consent is not enumerated in the bill of rights, so it falls under the 10th Amendment...
    The States area of responsibility or the peoples...

    10th Amendment:
    “ The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. "

    You simply cannot read anything more into "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED", it is delusional to attempt to...
    READ UP ON ... THE UNABRIDGED SECOND AMENDMENT:
    The Unabridged Second Amendment

    Repeal 18 USC 922(o)

    Educate yourself...
    The First Fundamental Principle of Constitutional Interpretation: Your Rights Don't Come From Government
    By Stewart Rhodes (Retired Army Ranger, Yale Educated Attorney & Noted Scholar on the Constitution & Second Amendment and founder of OathKeepers):
    Oath Keepers: CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC 101: YOUR RIGHTS DON’T COME FROM GOVERNMENT

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    Yours is a logical fallacy...
    as well is:
    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    ...not once does he mention limitations on type of carry or limitations on types of weapons...
    Because there were not alot of automatic weapons around back then.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    ...You simply cannot read anything more into "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED", it is delusional to attempt to...
    What is delusional is this incessant diatribe about literal meanings from 223-year-old writings as they apply to contemporary issues. It is almost as bad as the literal bible interpreters. Same concept.

    Enjoying your frustration as you delude yourself living vicariously in the past? We're not going back in time, so you may as well get over it.

  8. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Cocked _and_Locked View Post
    as well is:

    Because there were not alot of automatic weapons around back then.

    What is delusional is this incessant diatribe about literal meanings from 223-year-old writings as they apply to contemporary issues. It is almost as bad as the literal bible interpreters. Same concept.

    Enjoying your frustration as you delude yourself living vicariously in the past? We're not going back in time, so you may as well get over it.

    To all you guys who wish to qualify the 2A, I challenge you to specifically list the firearms which YOU feel that a citizen has the right to keep/carry. This oughta be fun...

  9. Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    To all you guys who wish to qualify the 2A, I challenge you to specifically list the firearms which YOU feel that a citizen has the right to keep/carry. This oughta be fun...
    Shall not be infringed means just that "Shall not be infringed". You people are all talking about infringement.
    The Supreame Court is supposed to clear all of this up in a few months.
    If we want to purcahse RPG's , Fully auto AK's or MAC 11 , this should be our right.

  10. #59
    The constitution is not a living breathing document as the socialist, Marxists claim. What it meant when written it means today. Period.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    The Declaration of Independence claims you have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happines. I suppose you should be able to purchase heroin at the local pharmacy if that makes you happy?

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