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    basepin

    this is a base pin

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    Which Load?

    I purchased an 1858 Remington from Cabala’s for my son. It's made by Pietta and I noticed the same difference in manuals too. I e-mailed Cabala’s and the reply was to use the load listed in the Cabala’s manual, not the load in the Pietta manual. We have shot it numerous times and have had no problems. I'm pretty sure if we used the lighter load from the Pietta manual we would have had a ball stuck in the barrel.

    I would be wary of taking this advice from someone I didn't know. It would probably make you feel better if you e-mailed the store you purchased your pistol from.

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    Dixie Gun Works would be a great place to do some research. Get their huge catalog and it's loaded with lots of info. Here's a stainless steel Remington revolver where they say to use 22 grains and a 454 round ball.

    Dixie Gun Works muzzleloading, blackpowder and rare antique gun supplies.

    Haven't spotted a brass-framed one on their site yet.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by monant View Post
    I purchased an 1858 Remington from Cabala’s for my son. It's made by Pietta and I noticed the same difference in manuals too. I e-mailed Cabala’s and the reply was to use the load listed in the Cabala’s manual, not the load in the Pietta manual. We have shot it numerous times and have had no problems. I'm pretty sure if we used the lighter load from the Pietta manual we would have had a ball stuck in the barrel.

    I would be wary of taking this advice from someone I didn't know. It would probably make you feel better if you e-mailed the store you purchased your pistol from.
    That's good advise in every case except when shooting BP replica guns or dealing with a non specialist gun shop about replica BP guns. If you bought the gun at a muzzleloader shop, that would be the way to go but the guy behind the gun counter at Cabela's probably thinks shooting BP means inline muzzle loaders using saboted pistol bullets,Pyrodex Pellets and 209 shotshell primers as an ignition source. That kind of information isn't going to help you if you are trying to get a '58 Remmy replica to shoot well with FFg Goex, a round ball and #11 caps. It would be like asking a F-1 mechanic to help you with your Flathead V-8. He knows the general concept behind the workings of the motor but the details, tweaks and shortcuts that come with intimate, first hand knowledge of its' operation are beyond him. Cap and ball guns in particular are such a small niche in the shooting world that, unless you are involved in it, the information necessary to shoot and care for them is not common knowledge.

    CAS shooters in particular shoot these guns over timed courses of fire that often means shooting 25 to 50 rounds in a day. If there's a way to make them and keep them reliable safely (they shoot live ammunition, too), they will know. There's folks shooting CAS that use '58 Remington replicas exclusively for their main match pistols and have been doing so for decades.

    Avid,
    The brass framed ones would probably be listed as the 'Reb' or 'Confederate' models of the Remington or Colt open tops because a couple manufacturers in the South made brass framed clones during the Civil War.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by theicemanmpls View Post
    this is a base pin
    OK. Looks like the pin that holds the cylinder in the frame?
    Thanks for all the replies. I learned a lot. I'm going to print them out so I can referto them later.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Anthony_I_Am View Post
    OK. Looks like the pin that holds the cylinder in the frame?
    Thanks for all the replies. I learned a lot. I'm going to print them out so I can referto them later.
    Yeah, that's what I was talking about.

    The one pictured is most likely a Colt basepin (looks like one for a Single Action Army but it's the same concept). Yours is longer, if I remember correctly. The open top Colt cap and ball guns don't have a removable base pin. The cylinder slides onto a big piece that's secured to the recoil shield with multiple grooves on it. The barrel assembly then is held onto the frame by a wedge that's pushed through the barrel assembly and the front of the base pin thing (kinda handy way of doing it because you can control the cylinder gap by moving the wedge in and out). The grooves on the Colt guns give the powder residue (and black powder produces a LOT of residue) someplace to go. Don't be surprised if your gun starts dragging and feeling gritty pretty quickly. Just remove the cylinder, wipe down and relube the base pin and cylinder.

    Remember, LUBE IS YOUR FRIEND as long as you are using a non petroleum based lube. More is better in this case. If you have a star of lube on the crown of your muzzle after you fire, you have enough lube. I suggest Ballistol as a general BP lube and maybe using something like TC Bore Butter on the base pin and as a over bullet lube when loading. Heck, I've seen straight Crisco used to seal the chambers on a cap and ball gun as well as all kinds of homemade lubes that were roughly 50% bee's wax and other approximately half was some kind of vegetable oil (olive oil seems to be a favorite) or animal fat/tallow.

    Clean up is extremely easy. Hot, soapy water will do the job fine (Soap it down, scrub it out like usual and work over the exterior. Wipe dry, let the gun cool, wipe it dry again and then re-oil the whole thing including the outside). If you want to use a dedicated gun cleaner instead, a 10 to 1 mixture of hot water and Ballistol will do the trick as well equal parts of Murphy's Oil Soap, Hydrogen Peroxide and Rubbing Alcohol (AKA 'Moose Milk'). Mix just enough to clean with.

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    I used to shoot black powder a LOT and I found one of the best things for cleanup is windshield washer fluid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AvidshooterTX View Post
    I used to shoot black powder a LOT and I found one of the best things for cleanup is windshield washer fluid.
    Interesting. I use hot soapy water. I use windex. I will try it. Thank You.

    This week I am going to try and hit a man sized target at 75 yards. COM. With a .36 cal. Navy colt. Wild Bill Hickock did it. Lets see if it works. I will let you know.

  10. Great thanks. A tune of wonderlube came with it. I'm sure it is a lot more expensive than crisco, How about lard? I got a big brick of lard in the cabinet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony_I_Am View Post
    Great thanks. A tune of wonderlube came with it. I'm sure it is a lot more expensive than crisco, How about lard? I got a big brick of lard in the cabinet.
    Back in the day, users of these pistols did not have access to any petroleum products. So, for the care, and feeding of your pistol, nothing, with petroleum in it.
    As for lard, I am sure, that it might work, but what a friggen mess.

    I like pie crusts made with lard. Or chicken fried in it. Not good for your health at all though.

    Cabela's has the wonder wads. You can find them other stores, or even make your own. I would rather use the wonderwads then any kind of lube.
    Don't go naked. A small danger of a chain fire exists. It is enough of a possibility, that you must cover the remaining cylinders in the pistol.
    Look on utube for one of these pistols firing in the dark. You will get the idea.

    Anyone mention a loading stand, or extra cylinders?

    You will really have fun with this.

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