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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    I wonder if he is a former DEA agent?
    It doesn't appear that the man arrested was the infamous "Lee Paige". Could have been his training buddy or something.

    I'm glad that the @$$hat got arrested. He's lucky that nobody got hurt. This jerk has done a huge disservice to gun owners. I hope he gets punished to the fullest extent of the law if the news account was accurate.



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  3. Unbelievable! CCW should be a right in every state without a doubt but this numb nuts is going to make it difficult for all. Would I be shocked if he turns out to be a Brady supporter and wanted to show the what if. Probably not!

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    It's amazing what the anti-gunners will do to get their point across. I'll bet this guy is a member of the Brady Center against Gun Violence.
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    If I remember correctly, AZ is an open carry allowed state. Concealed carry with permit.

    Most of the "incidents" nationwide involving lawful firearm carry are open carry.

    Typically, open carry requires zero training.

    Mr Walters needs a few months in jail, and a serious fine. In addition I would hope Mr Walters is never issued a permit to carry concealed, and his right to possess any firearm be suspended for ten years or more.

    It is morons like him who are making the sheep skiddish.

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    Az is an open carry state. Obviously someone who just came from a non carry state.

    Not sure what's going to happen with the no permit CCW. I'm afraid we'll have a few incidents like this til the novelty wears off.

    I recommend to everyone I know to take the CCW class even if they don't want a permit.

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    Here is the current law in the state of AZ

    Under Arizona law it is generally legal to carry a firearm openly as long as you are 18 years of age and not prohibited from possessing a firearm. However, if the firearm becomes covered, say with a coat, or if you are a woman and prefer to carry your firearm in your purse, you need to possess a concealed carry permit. The intent of this legislation is to give people the greatest possible freedom to choose the best method of carry for them. SB 1108 would generally allow law-abiding persons to carry a firearm for self-defense without a permit.

    Arizona's constitution, Article 2, Section 26 clearly states that "The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the state shall not be impaired." The intention of this language could not be clearer.

    and here is the new amended law about to go into effect
    Documents For Bill
    here is the link its to long to past on here.

    theicemanmpls says:
    Mr Walters needs a few months in jail, and a serious fine. In addition I would hope Mr Walters is never issued a permit to carry concealed, and his right to possess any firearm be suspended for ten years or more.
    yes i do agree with this. i also agree that there should be some kind of mandatory weapons training before buying a hand gun. and this guy proves that.

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    the above is from the NRA-ILA website

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    Quote Originally Posted by HootmonSccy View Post

    He should be arrested and booked ... He should be made and example and true gun owners should support his prosecution..
    Just like we want Muslims to stand up and denounce terrorism, Responsible gun owners should denounce people who use their self protection tools in such a careless/reckless way..
    IF it is seen that gun owners support the prosecution of bad gun owners, it is less likely that legislation will be proposed to take away everyone's rights.. It creates dialog where responsible gun ownership and use can be expressed and gain support in the public eye that gun owners are not all NUTS..

    Just my 2 cents.. I'm sure there will be several that disagree..
    I couldn't possibly agree with you more.


    Quote Originally Posted by crystalphoto View Post
    "People don't have a Constitutional right to be idiots..."
    This is a statement I can disagree with. They have a Constitutional right to be idiots just like they have a Constitutional right to free speach. Both of those rights end where someone else's rights begin. You can't scream "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre and you can't allow your stupidity to endanger others. When you do you have a "right" and an obligation to suffer the consequences.

    I believe that the Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment to ensure our "God given right" to defend ourselves. I also believe that had they been able to forsee that this country would turn into a nation of babbling idiots they would have included some sort of competency requirement in the Second Amendment.

    I never have and never will believe that every citizen of this once fine country should be allowed to carry a lethal weapon. I've served with trained soldiers who shouldn't have been allowed to use a lethal weapon. For God's sake, we all know people that shouldn't be allowed to use pointed scissors. Maybe the pendulum, as it always does, is beginning to swing too far the other direction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lplettie View Post
    I couldn't possibly agree with you more.




    This is a statement I can disagree with. They have a Constitutional right to be idiots just like they have a Constitutional right to free speach. Both of those rights end where someone else's rights begin. You can't scream "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre and you can't allow your stupidity to endanger others. When you do you have a "right" and an obligation to suffer the consequences.

    I believe that the Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment to ensure our "God given right" to defend ourselves. I also believe that had they been able to forsee that this country would turn into a nation of babbling idiots they would have included some sort of competency requirement in the Second Amendment.

    I never have and never will believe that every citizen of this once fine country should be allowed to carry a lethal weapon. I've served with trained soldiers who shouldn't have been allowed to use a lethal weapon. For God's sake, we all know people that shouldn't be allowed to use pointed scissors. Maybe the pendulum, as it always does, is beginning to swing too far the other direction?
    It is treading dangerous ground, IMO, to assume what the Founding Fathers "would have done, if they had only known...". We can certainly look to what they did and why but basing our legislative action on "what they would have done" is a bit presumptive to me. Is this argument not the basis for the "living Constitution" invective offered up by the antis and other assorted socialists?

    For the sake of argument, why not let the "natural system", if you will, handle problems as they occur much like happened in this case? Guy acted like an idiot and he'll probably pay the price in loss of his 2A rights for a good while, at a minimum. Other rational human beings see this and modify their behavior accordingly.

    Eventually, the social system reaches equilibrium and the intelligent, trained, and armed citizen walks freely and easily anywhere he/she pleases because the ne'er-do-wells, misfits, and other BGs are all "weeded out" as necessary and appropriate. Life is good; the Constitution is intact; our rights are secure.

    My fantasy, anyway.
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