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    AmericanBob's two cents worth

    Good questions, what would you do if... Well, if I hear gun shots, I would NOT go and investigate, I will duck and look for cover, I will protect my wife, and if I deem it is safe to leave the building, I will. but there could be people outside wiating to gun down fleeing people. Now, put me in the immediate vincinity of the shooters. say I was coming out of a store, and SEE and HEAR shots being fired just feet or yards in front of me, I would be fearing for my life, I am going to dive for cover, pull my CCW which I legally carry and then I would shoot, with deadly accuracy,until the threat is eliminated. I WANT EVERY ONE WHO READS THIS TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND that I am NOT a cop, i'm not charged with protecting the "Public". The hell with the public in a situation like this. By law, under OK's SDA Act, I can ONLY protect myself, my wife, my kids, and even my boss, and thats it, PERIOD, END OF SENTENCE AND STATEMENT. I dont want to be a superman or super hero. As far as me being shot when the cops arrive, I am sure they would not arrive that quickly, had they done so, the punks would not have been at large for over 48 hours. My weapon would be reholstered. But lets say there was a cop in the mall, the punks in this case were young blacks, never heard that on the radio did you? even when they were asking the public for help, they never gave the biggest description, BLACK. Well, I am WHITE, middle aged, fat, well dressed, and I would look more like a donut eating cop getting ready to retire than a gangster punk. Now, let me offer this, if you carry legally, then I suggest you dress professionally. I hope I never have to encounter this situation ever, but I have trained for this, to include multiple reinlistments in the Army, I know I can engage a target and neutralize it. I have that brain set. One last word, I am in Tulsa and I listen to the local radio stations, the chief of police said that the general public should not be worried, because this was a planned attack with planned targets and not a random shooting. Well that gives me a fuzzy warm feeling. The truth is, as I see it, planned or not, bullets richoet, bullets miss their mark, punks take innocent hostages, Innocents people can run right into the line of fire, even the police sometimes shoot innocent people while aiming at moving bad targets, lord help you if you are 200 feet beind the bad guy and in line with the speeding bullet. So I respectfully disagree with the threat assessment. I would feel safer in a mall, if EVERYONE had a CCW and was packing. ok, enough of this, must get back to work. You see, I am a tax payer too. Who will be footing the bill for this murderer for the rest of his sorry life. isnt our justice system fair?
    Last edited by AmericanBob; 04-21-2010 at 11:48 AM. Reason: typos

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    punks did not have a CCW

    LET ME MAKE THIS POINT CRYSTAL CLEAR even to the dumbest socialist or leftist, ONLY one punk was old enough to have applied for a CCW, which would have been denied. HE DID NOT HAVE A CCW FROM ANY STATE. Period, END OF FREAKIN SENTENCE. Second point, the rest were too young to have a CCW. So lets stop this rumor that these ganster punks were legally carrying concealed weapons, they were not. THEY WERE BREAKING THE LAW EVEN BEFORE THE SHOOTING BEGAN. I know how you in the Brady bunch crowd will spin this to your favor. But that dog dont hunt here in Oklahoma.
    Last edited by AmericanBob; 04-21-2010 at 11:54 AM. Reason: typos

  4. That dog don't even lay under our porches, in Louisiana.
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    Amen

    That is right Boudica! That dog should be put down in any state! and that is why I choose to carry, and I do it correctly, safely, and no one knows. Take care my friends. Bob

  6. I will not shop or deal with a place that has a signs that says no firearms because then only the criminals will have a firearm because they dont care about the law and they think theyare safe to rob or do whatever and about the signs in nv if you are in a place with a signs that says no firearms and the cops are called you can lose your ccw

  7. Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    Most of the malls around here are not gun free zones. There is one one in Grapevine between Fort Worth and Dallas, Grapevine Mills Mall, that is so I do not ever go there and I advise everyone I know to boycott it. There are plenty of places for me to shop with out going to a "Killing Zone".
    You sure got that right ! I never go to the mall here not ccing. It is not disallowed ; wouldn't go otherwise .
    God Bless .






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  8. Quote Originally Posted by gunsite View Post
    For the sake of discussion lets say the Mall is NOT a GUN FREE ZONE and your carrying...

    Your at the Mall and you heard gunshots, would you advanced towards the direction of the gunshots, stand your ground in defense, or exit the mall as directed by announcement.
    So long as my family is accounted for, Im fairly certain that I would leave as directed. I am not a police officer and going to jail or dying for making some stupid mistake while defending other people would irreparably damage my relationship with my 3 daughters and leave them with no income to pay the mortgage.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by AmericanBob View Post
    LET ME MAKE THIS POINT CRYSTAL CLEAR even to the dumbest socialist or leftist, ONLY one punk was old enough to have applied for a CCW, which would have been denied. HE DID NOT HAVE A CCW FROM ANY STATE. Period, END OF FREAKIN SENTENCE. Second point, the rest were too young to have a CCW. So lets stop this rumor that these ganster punks were legally carrying concealed weapons, they were not. THEY WERE BREAKING THE LAW EVEN BEFORE THE SHOOTING BEGAN. I know how you in the Brady bunch crowd will spin this to your favor. But that dog dont hunt here in Oklahoma.
    Im fairly certain that our friends here on the site were trying to show a little bit of humor by saying that the criminals were carrying legally.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by AmericanBob View Post
    Good questions, what would you do if... Well, if I hear gun shots, I would NOT go and investigate, I will duck and look for cover, I will protect my wife, and if I deem it is safe to leave the building, I will. but there could be people outside wiating to gun down fleeing people. Now, put me in the immediate vincinity of the shooters. say I was coming out of a store, and SEE and HEAR shots being fired just feet or yards in front of me, I would be fearing for my life, I am going to dive for cover, pull my CCW which I legally carry and then I would shoot, with deadly accuracy,until the threat is eliminated. I WANT EVERY ONE WHO READS THIS TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND that I am NOT a cop, i'm not charged with protecting the "Public". The hell with the public in a situation like this. By law, under OK's SDA Act, I can ONLY protect myself, my wife, my kids, and even my boss, and thats it, PERIOD, END OF SENTENCE AND STATEMENT. I dont want to be a superman or super hero. As far as me being shot when the cops arrive, I am sure they would not arrive that quickly, had they done so, the punks would not have been at large for over 48 hours. My weapon would be reholstered. But lets say there was a cop in the mall, the punks in this case were young blacks, never heard that on the radio did you? even when they were asking the public for help, they never gave the biggest description, BLACK. Well, I am WHITE, middle aged, fat, well dressed, and I would look more like a donut eating cop getting ready to retire than a gangster punk. Now, let me offer this, if you carry legally, then I suggest you dress professionally. I hope I never have to encounter this situation ever, but I have trained for this, to include multiple reinlistments in the Army, I know I can engage a target and neutralize it. I have that brain set. One last word, I am in Tulsa and I listen to the local radio stations, the chief of police said that the general public should not be worried, because this was a planned attack with planned targets and not a random shooting. Well that gives me a fuzzy warm feeling. The truth is, as I see it, planned or not, bullets richoet, bullets miss their mark, punks take innocent hostages, Innocents people can run right into the line of fire, even the police sometimes shoot innocent people while aiming at moving bad targets, lord help you if you are 200 feet beind the bad guy and in line with the speeding bullet. So I respectfully disagree with the threat assessment. I would feel safer in a mall, if EVERYONE had a CCW and was packing. ok, enough of this, must get back to work. You see, I am a tax payer too. Who will be footing the bill for this murderer for the rest of his sorry life. isnt our justice system fair?
    Actually, that's not entirely true. Per the Oklahoma Self Defense Act:

    TITLE 21 1289.25. Physical or deadly force against intruder

    D. A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

    This is directly quoted from http://www.ok.gov/osbi/documents/SDA...k_NOV_2009.pdf pages 31-32

    So you would be legal if you engaged the perps even if they weren't actually threatening you. Whether that would be prudent or not would depend on the situation. My first instinct, especially if my wife and kids were there, would be to E&E and get out of the mall quickly.
    "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"

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    Arkansas law reads the same way. I'd only move towards the gunfire if my family were not w/me. Otherwise, I'd likely retreat as directed. Securing my family is the most important thing.

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