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  1. #11
    I'm glad I live in Colorado. Out here we all have basements & guns and most people let you do whatever you want on your own property as long as you aren't hurting anyone. I did grow up in CA, though and I'll never live there again.

  3. #12
    I wonder if this guy has plans availabe on how he did this.. come come in handy in the furture :)

  4. #13
    Jose got busted? Damn, now I've got to find another contractor.

  5. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by HardCorps53 View Post
    Jose got busted? Damn, now I've got to find another contractor.

  6. A buddy sent me a news item on this. I'm sorry for the guy (though it doesn't look as if he was a skillful miner).
    You should be able to do anything you want on your own land.
    The news item I read, told of the progression from neighbor ratting him out, to Code Enforcement Inspector, to full blown SWAT terror-raid, to the man being taken by Adult Protective Services (the agency which declares old people mentally incompetent, throws them in a low-rent hell-hole "home," then in return for "taking care of them, seizes all of their assets). The old guy is now in hell.

    If one has any sort of neighbors, one should assume discovery at some point. Have a story ready, some broken flooring and a little digging in one corner of basement (well away from entry to underground shelter), a few bags of Sakretr. a little rebar and some tools in sight, maybe a damp area. "I'm trying to fix part of my basement floor where it broke up on me."

    Showing the Code Nazi the underground area was crazy.

    I really feel really sorry for the old guy. Someone forgot to tell him that Goverment is Never your friend...
    “The police of a State should never be stronger or better armed than the citizenry. An armed citizenry, willing to fight is the foundation of civil freedom.” Heinlein

  7. #16
    Actually you can do about anything on your own land you want to as long as you keep the building inspector informed so he can reasssess the value and raise the taxes. Wll almost anything but you can't grow mary jane or build bombs or nuke type stuff. Actually you can do that if you show that you hae it bunkered enough that when it blows up you won't wipe out the neighborhood.

    If you want to you can go mining on your property as long as you don't find any gold unless you live in one of the 13 original colonies. But if you do dig a mine you have to make sure that it doesn't cave in on top of you and then have the rescue squad lose 5 people trying to get you out. In this fellows case I really don't think it was the mine or tunnels but they way he dug them. It was starting to cave in and wasn't going to be long before he went missing and the neighbors would have just though he decided to move on.

    As for the adult protective services I am right now going through a similar situation with my mother. If she didn't have a family that cared about her she would be in the protective services and there are some in the same place my mother is that have been placed in "hell hole" and that you are describing ane the taking all of your property.

    I don't know the details of this story but I have seen people start on things, not totally unlike this fellows tunnels" that if someone didn't step in whether it be the government, family or neighbors it would have ended up very bad for more than just the one person. You can dig all the tunnels you want to on your property and no one including the government will actually care as long as you fix it where it won't cave in. I consider it the same as these people that insist on heading out to sea in a 16' boat and 6' for a pleasure cruise then complaing when the Coast Guard can't get to them in time. Or maybe the idiot that tries to climb a mountian figuring the blizzard is going to hold off until tomorrow.

    Sorry about the rant but every time I go see my Mother and hope that she can recognize me this time I have to think back to how my Sister and Brother carried on about not wanting to take her car keys even though the local police had already told me that I could or they would have to do something drastic.

  8. #17
    Soooo..... they really found nothing unusual .. . the guy owned a few guns and had welding tanks. Whoopee. Sounds like they are just seeing the fact he was digging tunnels as bizarre and trying to play UP the rest. OMG , he has "GUNS". LMAO.

    And, he didn't get a 'license' first.....

    If the man wants a 3 level basement, so what .... it keeps him busy and out of trouble.

    Now, if it's truly a safety issue for neighbors, etc. ..... then next time he can shore it up better.

    Someone outside the 'norm' in itself, does not make him a crazy man.

  9. I think we see the bottom line here.

    "Codes" were and are promulgated under the excuse of "safety." They are really about taking money and controlling our lives.

    No government has the right to force codes on us. A (private) insurance company has a legitimate interest in seeing to what standards your house was built before selling you insurance. But that should be between you and the company (private parties). A fire company responding to your house may have an interest in the type of structure; lacking data, they're more likely to "surround and drown," than to make an aggressive entry and attack. Again, logical.

    As far as building or digging something on your own place, and doing a bad job of it, it's YOUR neck. Everyone has the right to go to hell in his own way. As Clint said in the movie, "A man's got to know his limitations." Do something stupid and beyond your limitations, and YOU pay the price. That's life. Or it should be.

    As to Adult Protective Services, I got my mother out of Alaska just days ahead of them. We took care of her at home until she died of Alzheimer's. If it's a Goverment "protective service," you can bet it protects the interests of Goverment.
    “The police of a State should never be stronger or better armed than the citizenry. An armed citizenry, willing to fight is the foundation of civil freedom.” Heinlein

  10. #19
    Hmmm. I guess I will partially buy into the code violation part, but the rest is just scare tactics.

  11. In the 21st Century American Police State, any sort of serious "preparation" makes you a nutcase and potential terrorist.

    Also, "fortification" is a crime. After a friend in prison told me he served with a guy doing more time for hardening his house than for the drugs, I looked into it a bit. Generally, these laws are written in connection with drug laws. The cops do a drug raid and have difficulty breaking the door, and the resident will be charged with a felony for fortifying his home. In MOST states, the raiders actually have to find (or plant) some drugs before they can make the charge of felony fortification. In a FEW states, it only has to be a drug raid, regardless of whether they find nothing at all.

    I would imagine they easily found or made up plenty of "crimes" with which to charge this guy. And if he's in the clutches of Adult Protective Services, he's already been declared "insane," and Big Brother is "taking care" of him. In short, he's toast.

    You know the drill: Maintain a low profile. Stay out cities. Stock up on Beans, Bullets & Bandaids. This nice old guy forgot about the low profile. He will not get a second chance.
    “The police of a State should never be stronger or better armed than the citizenry. An armed citizenry, willing to fight is the foundation of civil freedom.” Heinlein

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