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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Bighouse Doc View Post
    Pure Baloney!

    An execution party was composed of eight men and at least five had live ammo!

    Here is an excerpt from the US Army execution procedure manual from 1947.
    As I said I was never a member of a firing squad & my statements are from GI's shooting the **** 20+ years ago. Since you didnt state any personal knowledge or experience I assumed you are nothing more than Google warrior & researched it myself.

    I found the reference you site, you will note at the top of it it states "S/S by AR-633-15, 7 Apr 59". For the uninitiated that means "Superseded by Army Regulation 633-15 dated 7 April 1959". In essence your quoted text is expired. For all I know it has been updated again since 1959 (the Army tends to revise their AR's TM's & FM's every 10-20yrs).

    All that said it has caused me to seriously consider my recollections & I think the AR cited may be correct. I believe where I got the 5 shooters may have been from the minimum live rounds but that is irrelevant.

    I do want to thank you though, your challenge caused me to dig down & it brought back some fond & some not so fond memories.

    Back to the topic at hand, I found this about the execution
    Ronnie Lee Gardner made such a choice after exhausting the appeal process and was executed by five anonymous officers on June 18, 2010. Gardner was sentenced to death in 1985 for the shooting of Michael Burdell, a defense attorney, during a botched escape attempt on April 2, 1985 which also injured court bailiff George "Nick" Kirk. Gardner, in court on charges stemming from the 1984 robbery and shooting death of Melvyn John Otterstrom, used a gun that had been smuggled into the old Salt Lake County courthouse by his girlfriend. Gardner chose firing squad because he believed it is swifter and more humane and less likely to become botched than lethal injection.

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  3. SOONER!!!!

    The Dove

  4. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomer View Post
    ... I assumed you are nothing more than Google warrior & researched it myself.

    ....
    Wrong again.

    Not only am I a practicing physician, but also a published researcher, including a co-author of a textbook on disaster medicine.

    -Doc

  5. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Bighouse Doc View Post
    Wrong again.

    Not only am I a practicing physician,
    With a colossal ego...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bighouse Doc View Post
    but also a published researcher
    Whom doesn't know what superseded means...

    Pleased to meet you Doc...

  6. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomer View Post

    Whom doesn't know what superseded means...

    Pleased to meet you Doc...
    The superseded in 1959 simply added electrocution to the list of approved methods.

    Most people I meet who "Feel honored" to shoot someone have more than an ego problem!

    -Doc

  7. #16
    Touche Doc, you did your research.

    I have had the honor of bringing down a feral dog that maimed a little boy & would consider it an honor to bring down a feral human that would do likewise (in accordance with law).
    Not everyone has the spine for it though.

    Thank you for this exchange, it has been fun

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    In the case of Gardener there was a photo of the backstop after the execution there were 4 bullet holes in it.

    From 1865 to present the U.S. Army has executed exactly one soldier by firing squad. Edward Donald Slovik was executed on January 31 1945 for desertion.

    From the book “The Execution of Private Slovik” By William Bradford Huie

    This one blank business, devised a century or so ago to leave a reasonable doubt in the mind of every rifleman as to whether or not he had actually participated in the killing, has been made meaningless by technical development. The M1, being a high powered rifle not a musket, kicks like a mule when a live round is fired off hand ; but there is almost no recoil from a blank. Moreover, the M1 automatically ejects the shell of the live round, while it will not eject the shell of a blank. So there was little question among the firing squad as to who drew the blank.
    Final note I question whether someone who feels it’s an “honor” to kill anything should be allowed to operate a firearm w/out strict adult supervision

  9. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    Should've been on live CCTV in every cell block in the country.

    I second that!

  10. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post

    Final note I question whether someone who feels it’s an “honor” to kill anything should be allowed to operate a firearm w/out strict adult supervision
    Boy-o-boy, a brand new acct just to "get" me. Not sure if I should be flattered or concerned...

    I would imagine the notions of "Duty, Honor & Sacrifice" are lost on you, that or you are a tree hugging wacko. In either case not worthy of much more than contempt.

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    Actually I joined because this topic intrigued me. I did a paper on Slovick in college. And having spent a good portion of my adult life in the Army I felt I might have some insight. Killing isn't an "honor" unless you live in a John Wayne movie. It's something you do out of necessity. You do too much chest thumping to be believable.

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