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View Poll Results: Should we ban politics and/or religion from USA Carry?

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  • No, keep it how it is. We can discuss in a reasonable manner.

    91 85.05%
  • Ban just politics.

    0 0%
  • Ban just religion.

    7 6.54%
  • Ban them both.

    9 8.41%
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Thread: Should Politics and Religion Be Banned?

  1. #121
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    kn1080, your google-fu is weak. A little searching will bring you to Church of Satan: The Official Web Site . A little more there will bring you to THEORY/PRACTICE .

    For the record, no. I'm not a Satanist. Even though LaVeyan Satanism is still wrapped up in Judeo-Christian mythology, it is not about the worship of Satan. Still, since it possesses as a tenet, central or otherwise, of belief in the divine/supernatural/mystical, it falls outside of my own morality/ethos/philosophy. There may be a large shared cross section between my own beliefs that those of avowed Satanists, but that no more makes me a Satanist, any more than a given businessman's principles may share much in common with those of a Capitalist makes him a Capitalist, if he does not embrace the core tenets of Capitalism.

    I am an Atheist. I term myself a devout Atheist, as my Atheistic beliefs are hard fought and hard won and at least as fervently held as those of any adherent to an Abrahamic faith.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by CathyInBlue View Post
    kn1080, your google-fu is weak. A little searching will bring you to Church of Satan: The Official Web Site . A little more there will bring you to THEORY/PRACTICE .

    For the record, no. I'm not a Satanist. Even though LaVeyan Satanism is still wrapped up in Judeo-Christian mythology, it is not about the worship of Satan. Still, since it possesses as a tenet, central or otherwise, of belief in the divine/supernatural/mystical, it falls outside of my own morality/ethos/philosophy. There may be a large shared cross section between my own beliefs that those of avowed Satanists, but that no more makes me a Satanist, any more than a given businessman's principles may share much in common with those of a Capitalist makes him a Capitalist, if he does not embrace the core tenets of Capitalism.

    I am an Atheist. I term myself a devout Atheist, as my Atheistic beliefs are hard fought and hard won and at least as fervently held as those of any adherent to an Abrahamic faith.
    Hey Cathy... quick question. Do Atheists believe in any sort of supernatural or spirits of any kind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NDS View Post
    I might suggest you do a search for 'stormfromt' -- you may feel at home there.

    I ended up there after a websearch once and, while I did find information pertinent to my query ( about the dependability or a certain handgun) the rest of the forum left me 'uncomfortable' ...

    You might feel differently.
    I did the same thing! I googled some kind of firearm related inquiry, and ended up in the middle of a thread. There I am, reading along to some good information regarding the firearm I was interested in, and then I noticed some of the avatars.

    I hot footed it to the top of the screen, and what I saw was, well.....,

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight View Post
    You got it all wrong. Real Satanists don't worship Satan; they worship themselves. They indulge in the sins which the Oppressor commands us not to indulge in. When God gave man the natural desires of gluttony, sex, violence, etc. and commanded Man not to do those things, Lucifer spoke up and basically asked, "Don't you think it's a little wrong to give Man these desires but then turn around and tell them not to do it?" For this, Lucifer fell from Heaven. Now he is the vanguard in the fight against the Oppressor.

    Real Satanists don't actually care about converting anyone. We don't try to scare people into our line of thinking with threats of eternal damnation and then ask for complete submission and lifelong donations of money. We don't discourage the discussion of any topics. We encourage it because it's better for what's going on in people's minds to be let into light.

    So yeah, you know nothing of Satanism, only the propaganda of the Oppressor (whom you call God). Have you ever actually read the Satanic Bible? It's more of a philosophy than a book of fairy tales. I've actually read the Holy Bible from cover to cover and know much about its doctrine, so I have a little more credibility in my criticisms of Christianity.
    Quote Originally Posted by tcox4freedom View Post
    No. I have it right.
    The "sin" of vanity (self-worship) was the reason Lucifer was cast out of Heaven. His vain desire to be greater than GOD led to his downfall. This vanity was also reason behind the downfall of mankind.

    Like I said before, I fully support your right to express your views; and I hope you would support mine as well.

    However, I am curious what "oppression" you are talking about when you state God is the oppressor. My bible tells me that those that the "SON" (Jesus) sets free are FREE...! So, as a Christian I can NOT relate to your false accusation/assumption. (We are truely FREE; when we are in Christ Jesus.)
    I think that these two posts are a good example of how the threads get hijacked. This is a discussion of whether or not politics and religion should be banned from discussion, not a discussion of the Satanist church, or the Christian view of the Satanist church.

    We already have a forum for politics, maybe we need one for religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kn1080 View Post
    Hey Cathy... quick question. Do Atheists believe in any sort of supernatural or spirits of any kind?
    I'm sure some could. This one doesn't.
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  6. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by lukem View Post
    ... Should we ban it or keep it?!
    I greatly enjoy the USACARRY site… AS IT IS!

    I have participated in numerous threads and have enjoyed the vast majority of my conversations here—all, really, but one. And, in that one thread, when the conversation turned childish, I simply stopped discussing the matter with the member arguing seemingly for the sake of arguing!

    We all have the right to our own beliefs and opinions. I like that USACARRY provides members a forum where they can state beliefs and opinions on a wide range of topics. In having those conversations, if someone asks for clarification, a member has the right to provide it. Or, in posting a comment, a member is free to offer (for any interested) to provide further explanation for their position.

    Members are also free (and probably need to exercise more often the ability) to ignore posts that feature content they don’t want to read. Likewise, members are free (and probably need to exercise more often the ability) to ignore other members who seemingly post content in order to create tension and disharmony.

    Truth is, you can limit content… but, you will still have some who will invent and find reasons to fuss, fight, and argue.

    Luke, ultimately this is your site. You will need to decide the content that you deem acceptable for consumption. And, just like any other product on the market—your decisions will have an impact on the consumers of this site—no matter what you decide, you will likely lose some while preserving others.

    But, having the ability to comment and discuss openly and freely on a wide range of topics is a big attraction for me. I have enjoyed the USACARRY community and have found the thoughtful and intelligent content posted here both entertaining and educational.

    My vote would be for leaving things like they are—preserve our liberties and freedom—maintain the ability to (cordially) speak our opinions and beliefs openly and freely on a wide range of topics on the USACARRY forums!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CathyInBlue View Post
    I'm sure some could. This one doesn't.
    Perhaps I can answer that. I believe in single malt scotch spirits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theicemanmpls View Post
    Perhaps I can answer that. I believe in single malt scotch spirits.
    hmmmm...icemanmpls, is your glass half empty or half full? Your answer reveals your outlook on life!
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    This forum has gotten so heavy, I'm glad to see some light-heartedness
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  10. #129
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    One of the reasons I did not post on this site for several months is because many of the politically-motivated threads tend to get downright nasty. I think a ban on religion and politics is at least worth considering because just asking people to tone it down is not going to work. Just my opinion.
    Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

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    How about moving all political only and religion only based issues to a separate place that you need permission to enter? Those that desire to see these threads can do so and those that don't want to see them won't be offended.
    General references to faith, beliefs and politics should be allowed just not allowed to become the main focus of any thread outside of the specific political & faith forums.

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