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View Poll Results: Should we ban politics and/or religion from USA Carry?

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  • No, keep it how it is. We can discuss in a reasonable manner.

    91 85.05%
  • Ban just politics.

    0 0%
  • Ban just religion.

    7 6.54%
  • Ban them both.

    9 8.41%
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Thread: Should Politics and Religion Be Banned?

  1. #31

    What's next?

    Ok- so you dump 'Politics' and 'Religion' to avoid arguments. What's next-'Military and Veterans'. Not every one agrees with having a miltary and not everyone is a veteran. What happens if a draft protestor who ran to Canada during 'Nam joins? Are you gonna placate him by dumping the Veterans? If you want to start dumping topics for this carry site, then dump everything that has nothing to do with guns and the carry of same. It's gonna die, though, because people who carry guns are a little more complex than that.
    Just my opinion.
    Dublin

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  3. #32
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    IMHO; submitting to the anti-christ/anti-religion people is the wrong thing to do. (That's what "they" want!)

    To me, it's the same thing as the AG crowd coming to different gun forums to stir up discourse in hopes of getting enough people banned and causing so much trouble that the AM's close the forum. (It "has" happened!)

    I say just ENFORCE the rules! Get rid of the "trouble-makers"; and NEVER let them come back!

    Let's face it; GUNS, conservatism AND religion usually go hand-in-hand.

    The way I see things is this:
    When the "conservative" or "religious" members try to start a thread to discuss their positions among themselves, things go along fine. "UNTIL" some anti-idiot who can't present an argument; (based on the merits) decides to just start trouble.

    "IF" the trouble-makers can cause enough trouble, the thread gets closed!
    (AM's have got to realize; "THIS" is what they want!)

    It is a "TYPICAL" liberal/progressive/AG/ AR tactic: "If they can't win a debate, then they want to cause enough trouble to SHUT-UP the opposition!"

    So IMHO; banning discussions on politics or religion will do ABSOLUTELY nothing but play right into the hands of the anti's.

    Again;
    I say ENFORCE the RULES!

    If someone posts always seem to bring in discourse and start trouble in an "otherwise" courteous exchange, (1) warn them, (2) suspend them, (3) ban them! (Then, when someone has been banned, KEEP them BANNED!!!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dublin View Post
    Ok- so you dump 'Politics' and 'Religion' to avoid arguments. What's next-'Military and Veterans'. Not every one agrees with having a miltary and not everyone is a veteran. What happens if a draft protestor who ran to Canada during 'Nam joins? Are you gonna placate him by dumping the Veterans? If you want to start dumping topics for this carry site, then dump everything that has nothing to do with guns and the carry of same. It's gonna die, though, because people who carry guns are a little more complex than that.
    Just my opinion.
    I have never seen anyone here dumping on vets. Regarding draft protesters, who cares?. They are as much a victim as everyone else during that war. The only Viet Nam era figure who gets dumped on here is Hanoi Jane Fonda. If someone comes in here, and ***** on Vets, they will have a hornets nest to deal with. We may not agree on everything but honoring our vets is one thing we all do agree upon.
    If you are a Nam vet, welcome, I am a Nam era vet also.

  5. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by CathyInBlue View Post
    And might makes right. Majority rules. Ban the non-believing minority and turn over USACarry to the TurboChristians, because they're in the majority.

    I submit that it will be far easier for the Atheist community to make thoughtful and topical contributions for a week without a single reference to their Atheism than it will be for the HyperChristians to go a week without an appeal to god, a scripture quotation, or a claim of (dubious) higher moral foundation. That, to me, means the Atheists and other non-believers have the superior claim to polite discussion of the issues of the day here than the Holier-Than-Thou sects. If they want to go off and make their GodGunsGuts.org web forum for their purposes, then so be it.

    I do not, however, see how a gun forum has any hope of divorcing itself from political discussion. I can't imagine a single topic which could be started here that would not be touched by at least one law in at least one jurisdiction of a member. "Can I modify this model X handgun to add an ambidextrous safety?" "Well, over here in jurisdiction Y, there's law Z which makes it illegal to do any after market modifications to any firearm whatsoever." *sigh*

    I like the idea of going a week and seeing who can lay off religion more, the faithful or the faithless and decide on rule changes based on that result.

    For the record, I have no intention of ever discussing my sexuality on this forum, precisely because sexuality is not a topic of choice. If the other members never discussed their religion, I'd never have the remotest impulse to discuss mine. Proselytization is as proselytization does.

    And might makes right. Majority rules. Ban the non-believing minority and turn over USACarry to the TurboChristians, because they're in the majority.

    So Cathy you are saying the minority should rule? First of all I don't recall anyone calling to ban someone because they are non believers. There are a number of non believers as well as members that are of other religions here that I have and can have a meaningful discussion on many topics even though we don't agree on the faith issue. Some times we have discussed the issue and agreed to disagree and we are able to move on and coexist and have dialog on other subjects. There are only a very small minority that I would label anti God antagonists and I try to avoid any of their posts by placing them on ignore.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

  6. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by NDS View Post
    I might suggest you do a search for 'stormfromt' -- you may feel at home there.
    I had never heard of Stormfront before so I did a search for it. It IS NOT the type of site that I would be interested in participating. In fact I can say with all candor that such things turn my stomach.

    I shall give you the benefit of the doubt that you were trying to be helpful & not casting aspersions.
    It did however give me food for thought...

    WHY if you are black & proud of your heritage & want to see it continue you are a visionary...

    WHY if you are white & want the same thing you are a racist...

  7. #36
    It seems this is only a problem to a handful of people here!

    Why shut it down for a few intolerants?

    -Doc

  8. #37
    The truth of the matter is that in all facets of life, troublemakers need to be dealt with, and often they are not dealt with because it can be a significant expenditure of energy (Illegal aliens?). This notion is also true in our government today, where, rather than focus on the few who cause trouble, it becomes accepted to punish everyone because a select few make the claim that life is "unfair." It seems like socialism is even permeating into this site! Of all the places!

    Keep in mind that trolls often bait and lure other folks into making statements about their philosophies, and then when they do, they go running to the administrator claiming that religious statements are being made that are offensive to them.

    What ever happened to changing the channel if you don't like what is showing on a particular station?

  9. #38
    The stormfront comments are at least as offensive as any religious statements I can recall on this site.

    Some people want it both ways here. Is a level playing field that offensive?

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    Luke, I like the site as it is, also. While a Christian, I'm not religious (in the "organized" sense), but I do enjoy hearing/reading about the Socio/Religious perspectives on what's happening in the world and what they're likely to mean to us who are gun-oriented. Those issues may have an impact on our future choices of firearms, tactical considerations and certainly Political choices. This includes "End Times" discussions.

    Personally, I have to apologize that I do get caught up in the passion of defending against some political and anti-Christian posts from people who - while they are obviously against the drift of the topic - insist on bashing the thread just for the hell of it rather than, seeing that it's a Christian or religious drift, just move on and ignore it. I think it's wrong for someone to post, basically, "I have no interest in what you're talking about, but I disagree with your beliefs so I'm going to jump in and take exception to them." I have trouble tolerating that behavior.

    Politics is certainly inextricably intertwined with guns, gun rights, and concealed carry laws. There are others - many others - for whom the concept of whether to shoot someone in defense of their family, or themselves, has a decidedly ethical/spiritual side. We can all agree that the thought of taking someone's life is a ponderous concept, and shouldn't be taken lightly. If some would scrub that concept against their religious beliefs, I think that's a good thing, and something we might all benefit from reading about.

    My mother used to say, "Live and Let Live." I'm sorry Big Gay Al was caused to leave due to what he may have found here. I may have missed the thread, but I don't remember seeing him ask "So, what do you guys think of my lifestyle?" I'm sorry he's gone. I enjoyed his posts. Those who would alienate the 'Big Gay Al's" of our forum need to examine the work of the Pink Pistols...they are definitely on our side and have made good, significant inroads with respect to 2A.

    I read everyone else's posts and finally had to throw in my 2 cents. I would add only that I appreciate and admire Cathy in Blue's performance with respect to the religion thing. She's stated plainly that she's an Atheist but hasn't bashed anyone else for their beliefs. Those who complain about being "bashed" for being non-believers should return to their posts and see what kind of bait they threw out to invite such responses. I may be wrong, but I don't recall Cathy being treated that way, and I attribute that directly to the way she's treated 'believers'...without the disrespect shown by some others.

    That's all I have. Thanks for listening. Sorry it's so long.
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  11. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomer View Post
    I had never heard of Stormfront before so I did a search for it. It IS NOT the type of site that I would be interested in participating. In fact I can say with all candor that such things turn my stomach.

    I shall give you the benefit of the doubt that you were trying to be helpful & not casting aspersions.
    It did however give me food for thought...
    I'm glad to hear you're not sympathetic to the stormfront point of view. I honestly was unsure of where you going with your remarks and was curious to see your response.
    WHY if you are black & proud of your heritage & want to see it continue you are a visionary...

    WHY if you are white & want the same thing you are a racist...
    Those are questions I can't answer. I don't understand the bizarre points of view and re-defining of words that goes on daily in our current society. My position remains that government should limit itself to acts that follow the Constitution and people should tolerate activities that don't harm others.
    People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome.--River Tam

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