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    Quote Originally Posted by angrypenguin View Post
    The reason I ask is say you end up in a gun fight and the BG takes cover somewhere, would a solid bullet penetrate things better than one that is going to expand like a hollowpoint? Anyone ever though of loading say half and half in a mag for this reason?
    I load my G19 with Hornady "Critical Defense" 115 grain HP. The two spares I carry are 115 grain ball ammo. Yes, a ball round will penetrate most car doors where most HP rounds will not. I have read the ballistic test and seen the video on this stuff enough to make a believer out of me.

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  3. Actually if someone is wearing a heavy winter coat a hollow point is a FMJ after impact, and will get filed up by material and not properly expand. If the bad guy is in a car you need those FMJ. I stagger my magazines and plan to double tap anything I shoot at. I keep 1 magazine full of Cor Bon HP's, but It's no the mag I have in first. I would rather be covered both ways and if necessary switch out to that mag, than short change myself by not being prepared. In some kind of armed conflict scenario my magazines will be staggered both rifle and hand guns. Actually a house, especially a brick or block, does offer resistance to hand gun fire. If the bad guy is in a car and you must shoot him you'll be glad you have FMJ. I wouldn't worry about that being sued nonsense, since it won't matter weather you have HP, FMJ, or even loaded your own ammo, if someone wants to sue you, they will do it anyway, just hit what you aim at. I see so much people buy hand guns and don't take them seriously, you should learn to shoot it even better than you can your rifle since it is what you will most likely have on you over 90 percent of the time.

    Go to you tube, search bullet penetration tests, there are some video's on hat, some are military and a must see. Also search Todd Jarrett, and practice what he preaches on how to properly shoot a handgun. Let me get you a few important links.

    Todd Jarrett IPSC Pistol Grip Lesson

    YouTube - bullet penetration test

    There has never been 1 person successfully sued till this day using he argument they loaded their own ammo, used FMJ, etc. If I'm wrong show me the proof. That whole Urban Legend was started by that Cop Moss Assoyd, ever how you spell it. I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

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    The caliber of the gun may factor into this issue as well.

  5. #14
    Here are two (of many) ammo tests involving various barrier materials and premium hollow points.

    Take your pick. They cover most civilian barriers.

    There is no indication for ball ammo unless you are a soldier worried about laws of warfare!!!

    http://le.atk.com/pdf/PortlandWoundBallisticReport1.pdf

    http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De...PoliceDpmt.pdf

    -Doc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Irish View Post
    Actually if someone is wearing a heavy winter coat a hollow point is a FMJ after impact, and will get filed up by material and not properly expand. If the bad guy is in a car you need those FMJ. I stagger my magazines and plan to double tap anything I shoot at. I keep 1 magazine full of Cor Bon HP's, but It's no the mag I have in first. I would rather be covered both ways and if necessary switch out to that mag, than short change myself by not being prepared. In some kind of armed conflict scenario my magazines will be staggered both rifle and hand guns. Actually a house, especially a brick or block, does offer resistance to hand gun fire. If the bad guy is in a car and you must shoot him you'll be glad you have FMJ. I wouldn't worry about that being sued nonsense, since it won't matter weather you have HP, FMJ, or even loaded your own ammo, if someone wants to sue you, they will do it anyway, just hit what you aim at. I see so much people buy hand guns and don't take them seriously, you should learn to shoot it even better than you can your rifle since it is what you will most likely have on you over 90 percent of the time.

    Go to you tube, search bullet penetration tests, there are some video's on hat, some are military and a must see. Also search Todd Jarrett, and practice what he preaches on how to properly shoot a handgun. Let me get you a few important links.

    Todd Jarrett IPSC Pistol Grip Lesson

    YouTube - bullet penetration test

    There has never been 1 person successfully sued till this day using he argument they loaded their own ammo, used FMJ, etc. If I'm wrong show me the proof. That whole Urban Legend was started by that Cop Moss Assoyd, ever how you spell it. I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
    Right

    Your FMJ goes thru the perp and still having a full head of steam perforates a bystander or two.

    Tell me again how you won't be sued!

    -Doc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Irish View Post
    Actually if someone is wearing a heavy winter coat a hollow point is a FMJ after impact, and will get filed up by material and not properly expand. If the bad guy is in a car you need those FMJ......
    Again, refer to the ammo tests.

    HP ammo plugging with fabric may have been true long ago but modern designs don't suffer this problem.

    Modern HP ammo also does very well against auto material.

    If you really are at such a high risk as to feel the need to engage autos, barriers, etc, you need a rifle with AP ammo.

    99.9+% of self defense shootings involve no such scenarios.

    -Doc

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    If it's a .45 you don't need hollow points, any good 230gr. FMJ round will be good for any situation in question. Any other caliber FMJ round could over penetrate at close distance. When carrying my .357 it's loaded with 125gr. SJHP when in public places with lots of people around, but I always carry a reload of SJSP in 158gr. for all other possible situations.
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  9. I carry a .40

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    Quote Originally Posted by angrypenguin View Post
    I carry a .40
    Trade it for a .45, less recoil too.
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  11. I have a M&P compact .40. The recoil is nothing to me, I shoot it very well even with rapid fire so no issues with any of that :) I was told it would be much more snappy than my Glock 26 but it feels the same to me, maaaaaybe a tad bit more. My issues were finding a .45 that holds at least 10 rounds and was the same size as my 26.

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