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    Exclamation United Nations "small arms treaty" again...

    Yes I know 60 senate votes needed, never happen, yadda, yadda, but it is still a huge threat to our hobby and sovereignty!!!

    YouTube - Dudley Brown discusses the United Nations "small arms treaty" gun ban
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    Supreme court has ruled that the Constitution trumps all treaties even if signed by Congress. Reid v. Covert

    No matter how many times this is brought up it has no impact on our Second Amendment rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlcnuke View Post
    Supreme court has ruled that the Constitution trumps all treaties even if signed by Congress. Reid v. Covert

    No matter how many times this is brought up it has no impact on our Second Amendment rights.
    OK so I read it and it is about some gal that went nuts n killed her husband on a over seas base... how does this stretch and apply to a UN treaty N the US Constitution, please enlighten me.
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    Not only does it not have anything to do with 2A, it has no relevance to guns, gun business, ownership, use or any commerce of firearms whatsoever within U.S. borders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon View Post
    OK so I read it and it is about some gal that went nuts n killed her husband on a over seas base... how does this stretch and apply to a UN treaty N the US Constitution, please enlighten me.
    Article VI, the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, declares:

    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof, and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; . . .

    There is nothing in this language which intimates that treaties and laws enacted pursuant to them do not have to comply with the provisions of the Constitution. Nor is there anything in the debates which accompanied the drafting and ratification of the Constitution which even suggests such a result. These debates, as well as the history that surrounds the adoption of the treaty provision in Article VI, make it clear that the reason treaties were not limited to those made in "pursuance" of the Constitution was so that agreements made by the United States under the Articles of Confederation, including the important peace treaties which concluded the Revolutionary [p17] War, would remain in effect. [n31] It would be manifestly contrary to the objectives of those who created the Constitution, as well as those who were responsible for the Bill of Rights -- let alone alien to our entire constitutional history and tradition -- to construe Article VI as permitting the United States to exercise power under an international agreement without observing constitutional prohibitions. [n32] In effect, such construction would permit amendment of that document in a manner not sanctioned by Article V. The prohibitions of the Constitution were designed to apply to all branches of the National Government, and they cannot be nullified by the Executive or by the Executive and the Senate combined.

    There is nothing new or unique about what we say here. This Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty. [n33] For example, in Geofroy v. Riggs, 133 U.S. 258, 267, it declared:

    The treaty power, as expressed in the Constitution, is in terms unlimited except by those restraints which are found in that instrument against the action of the government or of its departments, and those arising from the nature of the government itself and of that of the States. It would not be contended that it extends so far as to authorize what the Constitution forbids, or a change in the character of the [p18] government, or in that of one of the States, or a cession of any portion of the territory of the latter, without its consent.

    This Court has also repeatedly taken the position that an Act of Congress, which must comply with the Constitution, is on a full parity with a treaty, and that, when a statute which is subsequent in time is inconsistent with a treaty, the statute to the extent of conflict renders the treaty null. [n34] It would be completely anomalous to say that a treaty need not comply with the Constitution when such an agreement can be overridden by a statute that must conform to that instrument.
    Relevant section of the ruling quotes (supporting ruling also mentioned) and specific parts bold. The SCOTUS has ruled multiple times that the Constitution overrides treaties per the supremacy clause. There's more in case law but that gives the gist of it.

    As I said, UN Treaty does not trump the Constitution.

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    Dudley Brown and his "National Association for Gun Rights" are in the business of selling crisis and panic's and he will use whatever tool available to that end. If you don't believe me, read one of his emails - every one I've ever recieved is asking for a handout!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Hamberger View Post
    Dudley Brown and his "National Association for Gun Rights" are in the business of selling crisis and panic's and he will use whatever tool available to that end. If you don't believe me, read one of his emails - every one I've ever recieved is asking for a handout!
    News flash every e mail that has anything to do with politics ask for a donation.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jlcnuke View Post
    Relevant section of the ruling quotes (supporting ruling also mentioned) and specific parts bold. The SCOTUS has ruled multiple times that the Constitution overrides treaties per the supremacy clause. There's more in case law but that gives the gist of it.

    As I said, UN Treaty does not trump the Constitution.
    foreign treaty but if the US were to enter into such a treaty and an anti majority were in SCOTUS that could easily change in a heart beat.....
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    From what I have just read, it seems to be the concensus of opinion that our Constitution overrides any treaties that can be made up with the UN. I wish I could believe that. In case no one has noticed, our current president doesn't seem to pay attention to the Constitution when it is to his benefit. If the Supreme Court were to be taken over by liberal judges appointed by a liberal administration, there is no telling just what liberties could be forfeited and the Constitution trashed. Our government, in it's present scheme of things, scares me to death. We are ignored, as a people, and subjected to the will of a group of politicians who think they know what is best for us. These same politicians have been in office for years and have been proven to be crooked and using their offices for personal gain. They go to the highest bidder! I choose not to be led by the current Pied Piper and will do everything I can to help elect some politicians who haven't been tainted by power and corruption. I just hope and pray that there are still people of integrity who will listen to the will of the people!

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    News flash as for now this is the United States of America a sovereign nation and treaties exist between sovereign nations and not organizations. As of now the UN is not a sovereign nation. As for the US Constitution It is a black and white document. Our laws either comply with it or don't. It shouldn't matter what the makeup of the court is. Unfortunately over the years judges have decided they are above the Constitution and it is ok to make laws them selves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Hamberger View Post
    Dudley Brown and his "National Association for Gun Rights" are in the business of selling crisis and panic's and he will use whatever tool available to that end. If you don't believe me, read one of his emails - every one I've ever recieved is asking for a handout!
    Too true.

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