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    If I see a cop and a bad guy fighting and jump in the middle, they are BOTH going to assume I am with the other guy.

    The cop may feel there is one more bag guy to deal with now. Any attention or effort he puts into me is that much less he can give to the bad guy.

    The bad guy will see me coming and figure he better act fast. His adrenaline will pump even more and he will have to dispatch the threat he has in order to deal with the new threat. In this case I helped kill the cop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winnre View Post
    If I see a cop and a bad guy fighting and jump in the middle, they are BOTH going to assume I am with the other guy.

    The cop may feel there is one more bag guy to deal with now. Any attention or effort he puts into me is that much less he can give to the bad guy.

    The bad guy will see me coming and figure he better act fast. His adrenaline will pump even more and he will have to dispatch the threat he has in order to deal with the new threat. In this case I helped kill the cop.
    Really??? Would you be grabbing the LEO and trying to pull him off the other guy? Would you be punching the LEO? Wrapping your arm around the LEO's neck and choking him out?? No, you wouldn't be. If you were coming to the aid of the officer then you'd be doing those things to the other guy. Under those circumstances I don't think the officer would have any trouble distinguishing a helper from a threat.

    No offense, but your excuse for not helping is really, really weak.
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  4. Here's another anecdote (from 1911TechTalk, but I scrubbed the name)

    Re: In NYC, pick up a wounded cop's gun to stop the men who shot him
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    Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:57 am (PDT)


    A few years ago in KC, a motorist saw a KC cop getting the crap
    beat out of him at a traffic stop (speeding, I think.) The
    motorist didn't have a cell phone so he couldn't call 911.
    Instead he crossed the median and helped the cop with his
    attacker.

    The cop's supervisor arrived and seeing the tire tracks across
    the median asked the good Samaritan if those were his. He said
    they were and the sup wrote him tickets for reckless driving,
    vehicular endangerment (I remember I had to look that one up.
    It's crossing a highway not at an intersection when traffic is
    present,) and interfering with an arrest!

    The local DA dropped the last when the upcry later ensued but
    kept the rest. Fines totaled over $300. A lawyer, representing
    the Samaritan pro-bono, solicited donations for the fine.

    The cop who got the crap beat out of him later thanked the
    Samaritan and contributed to the fine fund as did a number of
    other local cops. There was repercussions against the KCPD cops
    who donated because "they held the department up to ridicule."

    That just about killed further assistance to KCPD cops from
    bystanders. A few years later, a similar incident happened and
    no one intervened much to the department's lament.


    This pretty well sums up public attitude in too many places.

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  5. I would help the officer in a heartbeat. Even though I've had some questionable stops in the past, I could never sit idly by and watch a police officer or most other people for that matter, get beat down without trying to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    Really??? Would you be grabbing the LEO and trying to pull him off the other guy? Would you be punching the LEO? Wrapping your arm around the LEO's neck and choking him out?? No, you wouldn't be. If you were coming to the aid of the officer then you'd be doing those things to the other guy. Under those circumstances I don't think the officer would have any trouble distinguishing a helper from a threat.

    No offense, but your excuse for not helping is really, really weak.
    Wow, you never broke up a fight have you. Cat and dog, son and daughter, even those are hard enough to stop, never mind two grown armed men.

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    A few years ago we had a code 10-13(officer down) and a code 10-15(officer needs help). The officer gave chase to a car, then pulled up in front of it and blasted the driver with paper spray. The officer then turned away and walked back to his patrol car. At that point the driver pulled out a handgun and killed the officer, then ran him over while driving away. In the video you can see a pickup truck on the road, the guy inside the truck ran to the aid of the down officer. He picked up the officers firearm and ordered the driver to drop his weapon, the driver then tried to reload his weapon and was shot and killed.

    The officer that was killed was a real dirt bag(per the words of fellow officers and just about ever citizen who lived in town)

    Here is the video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF-BtESLEsU

    Shooting happens just after 5:29 if you feel like skipping ahead.

    officers talking about how bad of an officer he was.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVaHk...eature=related

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    Quote Originally Posted by winnre View Post
    Wow, you never broke up a fight have you. Cat and dog, son and daughter, even those are hard enough to stop, never mind two grown armed men.
    I work in the bar business. I've broken up more fights than you can imagine.

    This isn't about "breaking up a fight". It's about helping one side in a fight. I wouldn't be jumping in there trying to separate the cop from the other person. I'd be doing my best to take down the person not in uniform. Big difference.

    C'mon....if you were in a fight and somebody ran up and tackled (or started punching, etc.) your opponent would you really wonder who's side they were on, especially if you were a uniformed officer?? Be real. I mean, seriously.

    Like I said, IMO your excuse is weak. I hope you never need help and the people nearby decide to adopt your attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilton Felix View Post
    Here's another anecdote (from 1911TechTalk, but I scrubbed the name)

    Re: In NYC, pick up a wounded cop's gun to stop the men who shot him
    Posted by:
    Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:57 am (PDT)


    A few years ago in KC, a motorist saw a KC cop getting the crap
    beat out of him at a traffic stop (speeding, I think.) The
    motorist didn't have a cell phone so he couldn't call 911.
    Instead he crossed the median and helped the cop with his
    attacker.

    The cop's supervisor arrived and seeing the tire tracks across
    the median asked the good Samaritan if those were his. He said
    they were and the sup wrote him tickets for reckless driving,
    vehicular endangerment (I remember I had to look that one up.
    It's crossing a highway not at an intersection when traffic is
    present,) and interfering with an arrest!

    The local DA dropped the last when the upcry later ensued but
    kept the rest. Fines totaled over $300. A lawyer, representing
    the Samaritan pro-bono, solicited donations for the fine.

    The cop who got the crap beat out of him later thanked the
    Samaritan and contributed to the fine fund as did a number of
    other local cops. There was repercussions against the KCPD cops
    who donated because "they held the department up to ridicule."

    That just about killed further assistance to KCPD cops from
    bystanders. A few years later, a similar incident happened and
    no one intervened much to the department's lament.


    This pretty well sums up public attitude in too many places.

    BTW, Happy Patriot's Day, My Friends!
    A potential traffic ticket wouldn't stop me from maybe saving somebody's life. I guess my priorities are a bit different.
    (Insert random tough-guy quote here)
    "See my gun?? Aren't you impressed?" - Anonymous sheepdog
    The hardware is the same, but the software is vastly different.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    A potential traffic ticket wouldn't stop me from maybe saving somebody's life. I guess my priorities are a bit different.
    A simple traffic ticket would the least of your worries in a potentially lethal encounter helping a LEO.

    And you never answered my question above, why is that?

    "I pretty much said what EM said, just shorter. You going to take him to task also? If not, why not? "

  11. blasted the driver with paper spray. The officer then turned away and walked back to his patrol car.
    I'd say that cop died of terminal stupidity. It happens.

    A potential traffic ticket wouldn't stop me from maybe saving somebody's life. I guess my priorities are a bit different.
    It's not "a potential traffic ticket." It's being punished for helping. In many places today, that is becoming the norm.

    A simple traffic ticket would the least of your worries in a potentially lethal encounter helping a LEO.
    This is a TRUTH.
    “The police of a State should never be stronger or better armed than the citizenry. An armed citizenry, willing to fight is the foundation of civil freedom.” Heinlein

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