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  1. I did not say I would not aid the leo. Been there done that. We just just have too many lawyers out of work so try and protect your rights while we still have a few.

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  3. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by ijon View Post
    We just had a woman come to the aid of a highway cop on the news. He stopped a guy. The whole stop went south and the cop was getting the crap beat out of him. Also the person stopped was trying to get the cops weapon. A women stopped and helped beat the guy down. My question is could a person with a concealed permit stop and order the the bad guy off the cop? I'am not trying to be a gung ho, just concerned about another person.

    1st I would call 911,then I would do what ever I could to stop the beating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocalacarry View Post
    Ok, I am bringing up a dead thread here but seriously? People have issues with what some LEO have done so they feel they would not help another who is being assaulted? That is just another point of what is wrong with the world today. The only good argument I have read in here is that how do you know the LEO was not in the wrong? Not normal, but I am sure it does happen. Still, I would help.
    Depends upon where I am:
    Berea, Ohio - Probably. Cops are honest and well supervised.
    Rocky River, Ohio - Maybe. Some of the cops are stupid bullies, but don't appear to be thieves.
    Chicago, Illinois - Not in a million years. Only a FOOL would insert himself blindly into a struggle involving police belonging to a department that's recently had a home invasion ring operating INSIDE of it, and which recently had cops working as enforcers for a street gang. You help a Chicago cop and you could very well be helping somebody COMMIT a crime. No thanks.

    Remember:

    • Police have no legal duty to protect individuals.
    • Police have no legal liability when they fail to protect individuals.
    • Police have virtually no physical ability to protect individuals.

    I'm VERY reluctant to take upon myself a duty which is very much NOT reciprocated.

  5. #264
    The bottom line is I would help the LEO and take my chances but think of this scenario. What if it turns out to be a police impersonator (who had been pulling over and raping women) getting beat down by an undercover cop? Just sayin'....

  6. #265
    Quote Originally Posted by Tackleberry561 View Post
    The LEO are here for our protection when we need them, Whats wrong with us helping them when They need it. Just My Opinion.
    Just some info on the above.

    Police have no legal duty to respond and prevent crime or protect the victim. There have BEEN OVER 10 various supreme and state court cases the individual has never won. Notably, the Supreme Court STATED about the responsibility of police for the security of your family and loved ones is "You, and only you, are responsible for your security and the security of your family and loved ones. That was the essence of a U.S. Supreme Court decision in the early 1980's when they ruled that the police do not have a duty to protect you as an individual, but to protect society as a whole."

    "It is well-settled fact of American law that the police have no legal duty to protect any individual citizen from crime, even if the citizen has received death threats and the police have negligently failed to provide protection."

    Sources:

    7/15/05 SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES No. 04-278 TOWN OF CASTLE ROCK, COLORADO, PETITIONER v. JESSICA GONZALES, INDIVIDUALLY AND AS NEXT BEST FRIEND OF HER DECEASED MINOR CHILDREN, REBECCA GONZALES, KATHERYN GONZALES, AND LESLIE GONZALES
    On June 27, in the case of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, the Supreme Court found that Jessica Gonzales did not have a constitutional right to individual police protection even in the presence of a restraining order. Mrs. Gonzales' husband with a track record of violence, stabbing Mrs. Gonzales to death, Mrs. Gonzales' family could not get the Supreme Court to change their unanimous decision for one's individual protection. YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN FOLKS AND GOVERNMENT BODIES ARE REFUSING TO PASS THE Safety Ordinance.

    (1) Richard W. Stevens. 1999. Dial 911 and Die. Hartford, Wisconsin: Mazel Freedom Press.
    (2) Barillari v. City of Milwaukee, 533 N.W.2d 759 (Wis. 1995).
    (3) Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982).
    (4) DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, 489 U.S. 189 (1989).
    (5) Ford v. Town of Grafton, 693 N.E.2d 1047 (Mass. App. 1998).
    (6) Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. 1981).
    "...a government and its agencies are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen..." -Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981)

    (7) "What makes the City's position particularly difficult to understand is that, in conformity to the dictates of the law, Linda did not carry any weapon for self-defense. Thus by a rather bitter irony she was required to rely for protection on the City of NY which now denies all responsibility to her."
    Riss v. New York, 22 N.Y.2d 579,293 N.Y.S.2d 897, 240 N.E.2d 806 (1958).

    (8) "Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others; instead their duty is to preserve the peace and arrest law breakers for the protection of the general public."
    Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice, 376 S.E. 2nd 247 (N.C. App. 1989)

    New York Times, Washington DC
    Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone By LINDA GREENHOUSE Published: June 28, 2005
    The ruling applies even for a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.
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  7. #266
    Maybe during ones situation evaluation and calling 911 you could give up the fact that you are a cc.
    that would help when the law arrives, its easy to think about what we can do & how to react,but when the real thing comes around our reaction is probaly going to be different.Some day I want to have training
    in using what ever force is necessary to control the situation at hand.

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    As stated before when someone joins or receives their CWP.
    "Thank you for taking the steps to protect yourself and your family"

    I would hope if you ever find yourself in the position to save an officer's life you would do so.

  9. #268
    As a friend and I were walking into a "store" one evening the screen door hit my friend in the front knocking him back into me. We gathered our wits and tried again this time making it past the screen door into the place. There were two men fighting and everyone was standing around looking. After a few minutes one got the other down on the floor, wrapped his fingers in his long greasy hair and started to pound his head into the cement. Immediately a couple of spectators stepped in breaking up the fight before someone got killed. Would you have stood back and let one kill the other. How about if the one on the floor was a cop or how about if the cop was on top. Are you an internet commando with such hatred for cops that you can't think straight but love to tell about how you would pull your gun and place a bullet exactly where you want it to. I have seen many fights broken up but never have seen anyone have to pull a gun to do it.

    For me it doesn't matter that one is a LEO, just two humans and I am going to react the same way if one is a cop or not. I really am not sure what one being a cop has to do with it other than some people have some unrealistic version of what a cop is or should be. BTW - I found out this morning that my cousin died yesterday. He was a fine of a man, gentleman, father and Christian as you ever want to meet. He was also a retired deputy sheriff and I can guarantee that if you were in trouble he would help you whether you were a cop, friend, relative or stranger.

  10. #269
    I would help the police officer of course.
    Before I sprung into action I would say...officer do you need help?? Making the officer aware that I am willing to help him and that the officer not mistaken me trying to help the bad guy that is resisting arrest. I would help anyone in need because I believe that there may be a time where I would need help.

  11. #270
    Wow, such a variety of opinions and information. I'd like to think I'd help the LEO but it would depend on how the situation appears to me. I'd be concerned if I would end up a guest of the LEO place of business or if the BG would be able to sue me if I used say my vehicle to get between the LEO and him. I'd err more on the side of caution. Would you call 911 and say "Officer in trouble." or what? And what's the number for 911again?

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