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    Quote Originally Posted by wooddoctor View Post
    Sorry Axe but it sounds like you have an Axe to grind. (Pun Intended) Check out this video that officer would have been killed if it were not for that other officer to help. Just like not ALL Muslims are bad not all LEO are bad ...get over it.
    There you go..... saying/implying something I NEVER SAID.

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    There you go..... saying/implying something I NEVER SAID.
    Sorry, I must have misunderstood.
    "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."Frederic Bastia

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    Hey Axe: After reading many of the "back and forths" between you and others, I think you have to learn to "chill" a bit more and calm down. Many of your explanations to your comments, which you feel repliers have misunderstood, still come back as extremely antagonistic, contentious and literally militant in their tone; none of this helps this forum one bit unless that is where you were always going on the issue of LEOs. If you were going there, you picked the wrong thread and the wrong forum subject to vent on LEOs. I truly feel bad that you seem to feel so strongly about LEOs the way you come across with your replies; my hope is that you can understand, as others and I believe you have said, that there are some LEOs who should find other work, but you have chosen wording that expresses such an opinion in a rather crude and unfair manner. Regardless, I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and hope that your comments on this forum can provide some meaningful comments that help us all understand what it is to be CC without so much personal antagonism. Be safe my friend and God Bless.

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    I do get quite passionate about certain subjects, if I have rubbed some the wrong way, I am sorry.

    My main reason for responding at all was to get others to think a little deeper than most of us normally do when we see something happening, do you really know for sure what it is you are seeing? Just like if you came up on a scene where 2 people are fighting, you dont know for sure who is the aggressor/bad one, and who is innocent.

    Inserting a Uniform and a squad car in the scenario does not automatically mean the one in uniform is the one needing assistance.

    I just wanted not to get shot by the good guy's (you all, and yes, most cops) if I was defending myself. (but I am not stupid, if a cop saw someone fighting another cop, why would I think for an instant that he would side against the cop?)

    I am now finished with trying to make my point in this thread......

    <-------- everyone else doing the happy dance since I am shutting up, lol

  6. Axe: You clarified your point well, however, your scenario is like being bite by a shark, struck by lightning and stepping on a horseshoe crap all at the same time. I welcome your input but please keep it realistic.
    "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."Frederic Bastia

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    Quote Originally Posted by fudo View Post
    People with your attitude are the reason we live in the world we live in.
    The supremes have said that police officers have no duty to protect any particular individual, yet many police officers are killed or seriously injured each year while protecting us from feral humans. Why would they do that, if we would stand by and watch them lose a fight for life, with a homocidal criminal? If you did, could you look yourself in the mirror every morning afterwards?
    The answer to that question is Yes I could. As I would be more then willing to help if I did not have to worry about legal issues coming back to bite me in the ass.

    As I have read the posts calling me a coward and or cop hater but I chose to ignore them for the people saying those comments don't live in reality if they did they could see why taking such action could lead to legal issues that will place them and their family in hard times. As "You are not a police offer so who gave you the right to act as one?" Will be one of the questions asked of you at the trail If you end up killing the person attacking the officer. You have now placed yourself for a civil lawsuit for wrongful death by the attackers family. The times we live in now you can be punished for doing the right thing. And my attitude about that is that is not the way it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Islander View Post
    If I saw an officer beating someone to death, I would help in that case as well. You can read all sorts of things into the question, but the jist was "officer who was in the right is now in trouble".
    I can tell you from experience that as soon as you interfere with the police officer you will be charged with obstruction of justice and assaulting the officer.

    Obstruction of justice refers to an interference with any sort of work of the state or federal police, investigators, regulatory agencies, prosecutors or other government officials.

    So by trying to do the right thing and help the person being beat to death by the police, you are now guilty of obstruction of justice and depending on the officer you can be charged with assault. Remember the world we live in now verbal assault is an assault charge.

    Now from my experiencing these charges got dismissed with prejudice. This is why I am now aware of doing the right thing can be the wrong thing to do.

    From all the legal fees I ended up having to pay for doing the right thing was just to costly and now I will think twice before acting.

    So I am just telling you that even though I agree with you that you should help anyone who needs it, you need to be aware of what you are getting yourself into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wooddoctor View Post
    Sorry Axe but it sounds like you have an Axe to grind. (Pun Intended) Check out this video that officer would have been killed if it were not for that other officer to help. Just like not ALL Muslims are bad not all LEO are bad ...get over it.


    YouTube - Cop Kills Wild Man In Bridge Fight complete footage
    After watching this I have 3 questions.

    #1 What was the Officers reason for stopping the man?

    #2 The guy only attacked the officer after the officer threaten to shoot him if he didn't lay down on the road. What gives the office the right to threaten use of lethal force to get the man to comply with the orders? For if I tried to do what the officer did I would be headed to jail.

    #3 I am guessing that the man being stopped committed a crime and the police where looking for him but why would you approach him without backup? I came to this concision due to how fast the backup officers got there though I could be wrong.
    Last edited by Kasper; 12-19-2010 at 03:15 PM. Reason: spelling errors

  10. Kasper, are you suggesting that if a armed civilian witness this conflict between an officer of the Law and what appeared to be a defiant purp about to fill the officer up with lead and have his brain blown out ,and if the back up officer did not arrive in time, that as as civilian if you were to interject to save his life that you could be charged with a crime of obstruction? Tell me this is not true.
    "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."Frederic Bastia

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    As usual threads like this always end up the same way, everybody's opinion turns it into a big pissing contest, for the most part most if not all of us here would not or could not know what they would do untill that senario was in front of them, and please I don't want to hear any crap you all know its true, personaly, 99% of the time I would help the LEO, but if it was just a fight, one on one, there is a couple of LEOs that I know that would be on there own, and in case nobody remembers, its a fair bet that all of you that have a CCW permit remembers that part in your permit class, where the instructor said that having a weapon and a carry permit does not in any way shape or form make you a LEO, because as said in the previous post's you don't know the situation, your a third party, you MUST be resonably sure of whats going on if you jump in, if you are wrong in your judgement and shoot unessessarly, in a year or two your legal fees would bankrupt you and your family, and you can be dam sure your local PD is not going to do a thing to help, although you were acting in the best intrest of the Officer that you thought was in trouble

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