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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    So then, why enact laws that serve no other purpose other than making it more difficult for the law abiding citizen to protect themselves from the criminals?



    You also have to remember who wrote the second amendment, ratified it, and what they had accomplished. They 2nd amendment was written by a group of men who had just completed the violent overthrow of an oppressive government. Even US Military enlisted persons take an oath to support and defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. The "well regulated militia" was and is the law abiding citizens of the "free state". The right to keep and bear arms by those law abiding citizens is not only necessary for their protection against criminals - it is also necessary for protection against their own government "necessary to the protection of a free state", should such need arise to overthrow that government. Our Declaration of Independence states that it is OUR (the Law Abiding Citizens') duty to ensure that the government that serves us does not become tyrannical.

    One of the purposes of government disarming or regulating the possession of arms by the law abiding citizen is to ensure that they do not possess the means to rise up against the government. I mean, after all, we wouldn't a repeat of the Revolutionary War, now... would we?

    If I'm not mistaken, gun "control" laws were put in place because RACIST democrats did NOT want slaves that had been freed by REPUBLICANs to be able to buy guns and hunt their democrat oppressors down and take vengence out on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcox4freedom View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, gun "control" laws were put in place because RACIST democrats did NOT want slaves that had been freed by REPUBLICANs to be able to buy guns and hunt their democrat oppressors down and take vengence out on them.
    Racism continues to be a heavy motivator for gun control.

    Some of the biggest racists I've seen have been gun control advocates. They're not afraid of guns. They're afraid of Black people and Hispanics with guns. The racist invective I saw and was subjected to in usenet talk.politics.guns was astonishing... especially coming from supposed "liberals". They felt perfectly at ease using any racial slur, and talking about Blacks and Jews in terms beloved by neo-Nazis. Of course some of them were on VERY cordial terms with the neo-Nazis.

    I was once in a MacDonald's in Lakewood, Ohio to eat breakfast. The elderly cleaner there started giving me crap for wearing an NRA ball cap. He went so far as to declare that the NRA should be "banned". I noted that the last time organizations started getting banned, we somehow managed to misplace 6,000,000 Jews. He replied that he "wasn't sure that was such a bad thing".

    Scratch a gun control advocate, find a Klansman... or a Nazi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Funny... this country was founded by a group of men who overthrew their oppressive government through the use of force, with arms equal to what that government possessed...
    Riddle me this, LT.......why are there 27 amendments to the Constitution instead of the original 10???
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcox4freedom View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, gun "control" laws were put in place because RACIST democrats did NOT want slaves that had been freed by REPUBLICANs to be able to buy guns and hunt their democrat oppressors down and take vengence out on them.
    You are mistaken. The first major gun-control law in this country appeared in NY in 1911. That was 56 yrs after the slaves were freed. The first federal law was the National Firearms act of 1934. That's 69 yrs after. Feel free to make some more stuff up. It's kinda humorous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S&WM&P40 View Post
    LOL, the name calling starts. Way to go! How does that go? Oh yeah 'If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all." What do you know it's even in the forum rules! If you have such a problem with so many members on this forum then why are you a member of a strongly pro RIGHTS forum? It seems every member who posts something that you don't like, out comes the name calling! Are we not all adults? Can you not have a debate with out the name calling? Is that really above you?
    Be careful who you call out for "name calling". By your standards, some of the people you're currently holding hands with on this forum are just as guilty as anyone. You wouldn't want to have to accuse one of your fellow Constitutional Chicken Littles for name-calling, now would you??
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    Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    You are mistaken. The first major gun-control law in this country appeared in NY in 1911. That was 56 yrs after the slaves were freed. The first federal law was the National Firearms act of 1934. That's 69 yrs after. Feel free to make some more stuff up. It's kinda humorous.
    No, YOU are mistaken. The first gun control laws in North America were intended to disarm Blacks and Indians.

    The history of gun control in the United States is the history of White supremacism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Make the criminal act illegal. Make it illegal to recklessly discharge a firearm. Hell, even make the penalty for that criminal act stiffer if a gun was used. But regulating the guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens does nothing to address the criminal behavior. Again, I ask you to show us facts that it does.
    LT.....I need some of your unbounded genius to help me understand something. How do we make something illegal without having a law against it??? How can something be a "criminal act" without a law governing it???

    In your world if somebody with a violent criminal past gets pulled over and the cops find a gun in his car, nothing happens to the thug, so he and his gun get to go on their merry way.

    In my world (thankfully the present), the thug goes to jail for a minimum of 3 yrs here in Florida. Why??? Because there's a law that <gasp!> that restricts his 2A rights! Bye-bye thug in my world.

    Tell us, LT.....what's the name of your felon rights group?? You seem to be heavily on their side.

    Lastly, I've never proposed anything that keeps guns out of the hands of law-abiding, adult American citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanimator View Post
    No, YOU are mistaken. The first gun control laws in North America were intended to disarm Blacks and Indians.

    The history of gun control in the United States is the history of White supremacism.
    When and where?? I'm always interested in learning something new. Please let me know about any early laws on the books that restricted blacks or native Americans in particular. Oh, and wishful thinking or SHOUTING doesn't count as proof. As far as I know the first law that restricted firearms was the Sullivan act of 1911 in NY that required concealed weapons to be registered.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    In your world if somebody with a violent criminal past gets pulled over and the cops find a gun in his car, nothing happens to the thug, so he and his gun get to go on their merry way.
    In my world, if the person is such a danger to society, they would NOT be free to roam the streets and drive a car. They would be incarcerated.

    A person that forges his wife's signature on the title to a vehicle in order to sell it before a divorce, if caught, becomes a felon... so we strip his right to own a firearm for life from him... how are the two even remotely related?
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    Riddle me this, LT.......why are there 27 amendments to the Constitution instead of the original 10???
    What difference does it make? There are 27 amendments to the Constitution because at 27 different times in the history of the US, 3/4 of the states, either via legislature or amendment conventions agreed to the addition or nullification of part of the Constitution. If the 2nd Amendment is so outdated and inapplicable today, then surely it would be an easy matter to get 3/4 of the state legislatures to agree to such, correct? Amendment 28 - Repeal of the 2nd Amendment...
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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