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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    Please. Oh God, please tell me you're not talking about the Sullivan Act
    And why not?

    The Sullivan Act: Some History about Gun Control Conservative Libertarian Outpost

    Some years or decades ago I researched and reported on the Sullivan Act, one of America’s first gun control laws.

    New York state senator Timothy Sullivan, a corrupt Tammany Hall politician, represented New York’s Red Hook district. Commercial travelers passing through the district would be relieved of their valuables by armed robbers. In order to protect themselves and their property, travelers armed themselves. This raised the risk of, and reduced the profit from, robbery. Sullivan’s outlaw constituents demanded that Sullivan introduce a law that would prohibit concealed carry of pistols, blackjacks, and daggers, thus reducing the risk to robbers from armed victims.

    The criminals, of course, were already breaking the law and had no intention of being deterred by the Sullivan Act from their business activity of armed robbery. Thus, the effect of the Sullivan Act was precisely what the criminals intended. It made their life of crime easier.

    As the first successful gun control advocates were criminals, I have often wondered what agenda lies behind the well-organized and propagandistic gun control organizations and their donors and sponsors in the US today.
    I will agree.... the Sullivan Act does not seem to be racially motivated.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    What difference does it make? There are 27 amendments to the Constitution because at 27 different times in the history of the US, 3/4 of the states, either via legislature or amendment conventions agreed to the addition or nullification of part of the Constitution. If the 2nd Amendment is so outdated and inapplicable today, then surely it would be an easy matter to get 3/4 of the state legislatures to agree to such, correct? Amendment 28 - Repeal of the 2nd Amendment...
    Why would we need more amendments?? Did the Founding Fathers forget something?? Did they make a mistake or two?? Were they negligent? Stop dodging the question and tell me why you think 17 more amendments have been added post-1791.

    So if due process was followed and 2A was amended to require permits, specify what kinds of weapons could be owned, etc., you'd be OK with that?? After all....such restrictions would then be an official part of the Constitution.

    And I'll take a page out of your book (and also reiterate what I've said in other threads), if 2A was being so blatantly violated decade after decade by states not allowing permitless/unrestricted carry along with various other restrictions, why have none of the many pro-2A presidents, congressmen, justices, etc. not done anything about it? Are they all Constitution trampling traitors as well??
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    Why would we need more amendments?? Did the Founding Fathers forget something?? Did they make a mistake or two?? Were they negligent? Stop dodging the question and tell me why you think 17 more amendments have been added post-1791.
    Because 3/4 of the states agreed that something needed to be added or nullified.

    Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    So if due process was followed and 2A was amended to require permits, specify what kinds of weapons could be owned, etc., you'd be OK with that?? After all....such restrictions would then be an official part of the Constitution.
    I would either be OK with it, or I would have to renounce my citizenship and move out of the US. That's what my oath that I took as an enlisted member of the US Military stated: to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

    Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    And I'll take a page out of your book (and also reiterate what I've said in other threads), if 2A was being so blatantly violated decade after decade by states not allowing permitless/unrestricted carry along with various other restrictions, why have none of the many pro-2A presidents, congressmen, justices, etc. not done anything about it? Are they all Constitution trampling traitors as well??
    Because a group of only nine men and women, nominated by the President and confirmed by whatever party is in control of the Senate at the time determines what the interpretation of the Constitution means. And if you think the current trend toward interpreting the 2nd Amendment is favorable towards regulation and gun control, I would recommend that you familiarize yourself with what recent decisions passed down by the Supreme nine say about the right to keep and bear arms.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    So, are you for or against convicted felons being able to possess firearms?

    If a person is of such dangerous and violent character that they cannot be trusted to own and carry a firearm for self protection, then they should be incarcerated. A mere law banning their possession or carry of a firearm isn't going to stop them anyway.
    I'm against people who have been convicted of violent crimes (or the threat of violence) from being allowed to carry firearms. How 'bout you??

    A law will absolutely prevent them from carrying. They can't carry while they're in jail. See if you can follow this.....I know it's difficult:

    - Thug carries gun.
    - Thug gets caught by police with gun.
    - Law says thug is not allowed to carry gun.
    - Thug goes straight to jail for several years (at least) for carrying gun.
    - Thug can not carry a gun in jail.
    - Thug is not a threat to you and me while in jail.
    - Thug is in jail because of the "Thugs Not Allowed To Carry Law".
    - Law is now preventing Thug from carrying.

    Do you see?? Are you so spiteful that you turn your back on even the most rudimentary levels of common sense??
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Because 3/4 of the states agreed that something needed to be added or nullified.
    Wow! You must be working up quite a sweat dodging my question! I didn't ask "how" it happened......I asked "why" it happened. You know the answer but you can't bring yourself to say it. If you did your little house-of-cards argument would come tumbling down.

    That's OK, LT. It'll just be our little secret.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    I would either be OK with it, or I would have to renounce my citizenship and move out of the US. That's what my oath that I took as an enlisted member of the US Military stated: to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
    So you'd completely change your POV just because of some writing on a piece of paper?? Geez....why don't you try coming up with your own opinion or interpretation instead of waiting for it to come out in paperback!
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    So you'd completely change your POV just because of some writing on a piece of paper?? Geez....why don't you try coming up with your own opinion or interpretation instead of waiting for it to come out in paperback!
    True. I might just have to take up arms to forcibly overthrow the government as is my duty as a citizen, as expressed by the Declaration of Independence.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    True. I might just have to take up arms to forcibly overthrow the government as is my duty as a citizen, as expressed by the Declaration of Independence.
    You seem very unhappy now......why wait to start a revolution?? Why not start now?? Tonight?! It should be easy what with all the millions of gunowners who're just as unhappy as you, right??

    Right???......................
    (Insert random tough-guy quote here)
    "See my gun?? Aren't you impressed?" - Anonymous sheepdog
    The hardware is the same, but the software is vastly different.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    I'm against people who have been convicted of violent crimes (or the threat of violence) from being allowed to carry firearms. How 'bout you??

    A law will absolutely prevent them from carrying. They can't carry while they're in jail. See if you can follow this.....I know it's difficult:

    - Thug carries gun.
    - Thug gets caught by police with gun.
    - Law says thug is not allowed to carry gun.
    - Thug goes straight to jail for several years (at least) for carrying gun.
    - Thug can not carry a gun in jail.
    - Thug is not a threat to you and me while in jail.
    - Thug is in jail because of the "Thugs Not Allowed To Carry Law".
    - Law is now preventing Thug from carrying.

    Do you see?? Are you so spiteful that you turn your back on even the most rudimentary levels of common sense??
    "Thug" should be in jail for committing a crime. Not for exercising a right protected by the Constitution.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    You seem very unhappy now......why wait to start a revolution?? Why not start now?? Tonight?! It should be easy what with all the millions of gunowners who're just as unhappy as you, right??

    Right???......................
    Because the current Judicial branch of the Federal government is consistently ruling in favor of the gun owners.

    When the government comes knocking on my door to confiscate my firearms from me, then we have an entirely different situation.

    I personally don't give a rat's a$$ if you give your guns to them.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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