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    Yes, the knee jerk reactions in all these cases pisses me off fiercely.

    It's just the same with the Jared Loughner thing. He listened to talk radio? Rush made him do it? Now we need more gun control? No cubed.

    It's hard to deal with but people die and legislation never brought anyone back to life. Responsibility can definitely save a life though.

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    Guys I am the last one in the world to say anything about a individuals right the keep guns, and I do not care that the children were "around guns since they were born" BUT guns and small children mixing is worse than guns and alcohol, if you have small kids in the house keep the guns 100% of the time in a completely seperate location,locked up in a safe were the children can not go, as for your personal carry weapon, do not NEVER take it from its holster, unless of course you tend to use it, and it must be kept in a safe place at night, fingerprint lock box is good, these people certainly did not intend for there kids to get shot, now two familys lives are changed forever cause of some absentmindedness, when my daughter, and grand daughter were growing up and staying with us they knew about the guns but could never get to them, now that my grandaughter is older and they do not live with us anymore a weapon is no more than a arms reach from anywhere in the house, guns are like anything else that can hurt people, you can NEVER EVER let your gaurd down................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketgeezer View Post
    Guys I am the last one in the world to say anything about a individuals right the keep guns, and I do not care that the children were "around guns since they were born" BUT guns and small children mixing is worse than guns and alcohol, if you have small kids in the house keep the guns 100% of the time in a completely seperate location,locked up in a safe were the children can not go, as for your personal carry weapon, do not NEVER take it from its holster, unless of course you tend to use it, and it must be kept in a safe place at night, fingerprint lock box is good.
    Amen brother. My gun is always locked up, even at night. And we have no kids in the house. Between dogs, alarms and secure doors/windows there's more than enough time to access the gunvault should a break-in occur.
    GOD, GUNS and GUITARS

  5. I mentioned on another thread that I have a presentation that I give to other physicians on the topic of firearm safety in the home. One major theme is the level of threat vs the need for safety from neglegent or accidental misuse of firearms in the home.

    One point that always raises eyebrows is when I discuss the topic of Concealed Carry inside the home. Many have difficulty comprehending the need to have a loaded firearm in the home. Some simply cannot comprehend that level of imminant threat. I do point out that a safely holstered weapon on your hip is DEFINATELY never in the hands of your kids. If a gun is out of sight it needs to be locked up in some fashion

    I also discuss various types of rapid access lock boxes and their use. I discuss the risks vs benefits from storing a firearm loaded and chambered, loaded but not chambered, completely unloaded with colocation of ammo or separate storage of ammo and firearm.

    Most neglegent discharges occur through improper handling of a firearm during loading or unloading. My audience usually has a hard time understanding that minimizing the handling and manipulation of a firearm may actually be more beneficial than storage methods which require frequent loading, unloading and chambering of rounds.

    I also stress the importance of proper gun handling. If Col. Coopers four rules are ALWAYS followed. In particular the often broken rule about fingers on triggers then many gun accidents could be ENTIRELY AVOIDED.

    Preventing access by those not trained in their use is a primary responsibility of gun ownership. That means lock them up securely. Safely store your ammunition separately in most cases and learn and exemplify safe firearms handling techniques.

    If you have children teach them safe firearms handling through a course designed to promote children's safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Mustang View Post
    I mentioned on another thread that I have a presentation that I give to other physicians on the topic of firearm safety in the home. One major theme is the level of threat vs the need for safety from neglegent or accidental misuse of firearms in the home.

    One point that always raises eyebrows is when I discuss the topic of Concealed Carry inside the home. Many have difficulty comprehending the need to have a loaded firearm in the home. Some simply cannot comprehend that level of imminant threat. I do point out that a safely holstered weapon on your hip is DEFINATELY never in the hands of your kids. If a gun is out of sight it needs to be locked up in some fashion

    I also discuss various types of rapid access lock boxes and their use. I discuss the risks vs benefits from storing a firearm loaded and chambered, loaded but not chambered, completely unloaded with colocation of ammo or separate storage of ammo and firearm.

    Most neglegent discharges occur through improper handling of a firearm during loading or unloading. My audience usually has a hard time understanding that minimizing the handling and manipulation of a firearm may actually be more beneficial than storage methods which require frequent loading, unloading and chambering of rounds.

    I also stress the importance of proper gun handling. If Col. Coopers four rules are ALWAYS followed. In particular the often broken rule about fingers on triggers then many gun accidents could be ENTIRELY AVOIDED.

    Preventing access by those not trained in their use is a primary responsibility of gun ownership. That means lock them up securely. Safely store your ammunition separately in most cases and learn and exemplify safe firearms handling techniques.

    If you have children teach them safe firearms handling through a course designed to promote children's safety.
    All of which is reasonable.

    But many people stash lock and load firearms around the house as a substitute for an alarm system.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    All of which is reasonable.

    But many people stash lock and load firearms around the house as a substitute for an alarm system.
    Ok there are a number of problems with this. One thing I also teach is threat level assessment. The danger of keeping unsecured loaded firearms cached in the home is often more significant than your actual threat of criminal attack. So unless you are a retired international assassin who just received a call from Bill that Uma is on her way to your house with a katana, That gun you have stashed in the Kids cereal box is just not a good security plan.

    Secondly, unless you tie them to stings of tin cans and old silverware or possess extremely unusual firearms, the guns you have stashed around the house can NEVER substitute for an alarm. As the name suggests the entire point of an alarm system is to alert you that you may be in danger. Guns stashed around the house cannot perform that function.

    Worse still stashed guns could be a resource to any intruder.

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    "A six year old kid is only in danger with a Glock or Firearms safety training will keep a six year old kid from being shot" are both BS.

    The first thing a small child does is "click and push" everything on the object. The safety will be swiped, trust me. Anything you teach a child this young will be forgotten for the most part within a week. I speak as a father and a grandfather.

    The only "safe" gun around a small child is one in your holster or the ones that are unloaded and locked up.

    I clean my guns in the garage and children are not allowed in during cleaning. When grandchildren visit, the duty HD shotgun is in gun safe and only gun out is on me, holstered.

    Leaving loaded weapons out around small children because you think they are "smarter than other kids" or "have been taught better" may assuage your ego but you are setting yourself up for a terrible tragedy. Do not allow small children access to loaded weapons and you may actually end up with grandchildren.

  9. This case is really sad, no one should have to die because of someone else's negligence. When cleaning or handling my firearms I take the ammo out of the room, and when my kids were too young to know better they were kept in the safe if loaded and all ammo was under lock and key. As far as safties go, I prefer to have something more than Glock's trigger safety, I like Springfield XD's grip safety, but I don't trust any manual safety fully.

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