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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    Perhaps you haven't heard of the science of brain development and hormones.

    While there may be a 15-year-old or two in the world with a fully matured brain, the great majority are just entering the "hey, watch what I can do" age at that point in their lives.


    Sowell ER, Thompson PM, Holmes CJ, et al. In vivo evidence for post-adolescent brain maturation in frontal and striatal regions. Nature Neuroscience, 1999; 2(10): 859-61.

    Or in more layman's terms, as explained by Neurologist Francis Jensen:
    It is the way they are raised that retards the brain. You treat a person like a 2yr and that is the way they will act and think, it doesn't matter what their actual ages is.
    Ed
    "The tree of Liberty needs to be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson 3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Edsworld View Post
    It is the way they are raised that retards the brain. You treat a person like a 2yr and that is the way they will act and think, it doesn't matter what their actual ages is.
    Please cite your source.

  4. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Edsworld View Post
    It is the way they are raised that retards the brain. You treat a person like a 2yr and that is the way they will act and think, it doesn't matter what their actual ages is.
    So all that scientific stuff is a bunch of hooey?

    A parent who doesn't understand childhood development is really nothing but a child who wears adult sized clothing.

  5. Originally Posted by Edsworld
    It is the way they are raised that retards the brain. You treat a person like a 2yr and that is the way they will act and think, it doesn't matter what their actual ages is.

    Please cite your source.

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    Source? Most of us who have been around for a few decades have watched it, had it proven to us many times. Coddle them, give them no reponsibility, protect them from the consequences of their own stupidity, and they'll remain small (and worthless) children forever.

    Heinlein said "Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy." Too bad Benjamin Spock wasn't 1/10 as wise as Heinlein.

    BTW, this story wasn't as bad as a local one about 20 years ago: Friends of ours, she was our Lamaze coach, had two kids. One of 'em got off the bus at his friend's house, said goodbye then headed across the yard and scrambled over the fence to go to his house. Neighbor boy and buddy had gone into his house, picked up a .30-30 left near the living room window, pulled down on his little friend through the window as the little guy went over the fence - and fired. My friends lived almost next to the hospital, but Caleb did not survive. I do not know what befell that "father" who both failed to train his son and left a loaded and ready .30-30 in the front room.
    “The police of a State should never be stronger or better armed than the citizenry. An armed citizenry, willing to fight is the foundation of civil freedom.” Heinlein

  6. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by roguejesse View Post
    If you have kids, you need to "Gun-Proof" your kids. The best way is though educating them. NRA has the Eddie Eagle program. Teach them that the gun is not a toy, and what to do when they find one. Eliminate their curiosity, telling them not to touch it will only make them curious and they will find the firearm no matter where you hide it. It is never too early to teach your children gun safety rules.
    That program was the brainchild of past NRA director Marion P. Hammer, who IMHO is a true hero to the second amendment community. Marion consulted with child psycologists, educators, and gun safety experts to devolpe one of the best youth gun safety programs. And it was done without any intervention by the government. She didn't need a mandate for "change", or special government funding. The NRA did it all by ourselves.

  7. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Mustang View Post
    Please cite your source.
    ME. Look at the kids today and look at the kids of the same age 100yrs ago, or even 30 yrs ago. History speaks for it's self.

    Parents are always looking for something or someone to blame for there mistakes, If their kids don't turn out right.
    Ed
    "The tree of Liberty needs to be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson 3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

  8. One of the many things you learn when studying pediatrics is that human development proceeds according to a set of distinct milestones. Those milestones occur on a relatively predictable timeline and statistically are distributed on the normal curve. What this means is that while I can marginally speed up development of my child It becomes increasingly difficult to obtain results the further one attempts to deviate from the mean. All the hard work in the world, standing my infant son up, holding his hands as he "walks" across the room, doing exercises, showing him walking videos will not make my son walk at 5 months old. I MIGHT be able to get him walking at 10 months, more likely at 11 since most children begin walking at a year plus or minus 2 months or so. The point being that you can speed up development slightly but you cannot move the milestones too far.

    I have not specifically looked at the data but I would expect that frontal lobe development in teenagers would follow a similar pattern. The only question to be resolved is how wide the bell curve is for this developmental milestone. It may be wide, encompassing 2-3 years on either side of the mean. It may be quite narrow. The point being that we do not know.

    There is an important concept in medicine summed up in the phrase "Anecdote is not antidote" meaning just because uncle Fred "cured" his prostate cancer with wheat grass enemas does not mean that everyone with prostate cancer should receive wheat grass.

    To expand this to our current debate, yes we all know or have heard of babies that walked at 8 months and teenagers who were completely mature and responsible at 16. However, personal experience cannot be used in isolation from empirical data. That 16 year old may be sitting in the very narrow "tail" of a bell curve. Even if several teens in one geographic area or one family show maturity at that age that does not necessarily mean that that experience or that method can be expanded to the great teemimg mass of humanity. There are a nearly limitless number of variables both of nature and nurture that could contribute to the observed result.

  9. #18
    I don't remember but I was told by many relatives that I was walking at 7 months. I blame that for making me bowlegged as my legs weren't strong enough to hold me up. But I agree with Doc that you can move some of the milestones and anything well different of that is just an abnormailty. My IQ is well into genuis level but I do have some learning disabilities. The early responses to certain things are understood but some of my development was late. I am a firm believer in that study about good judgemnet doesn't physically develop until age 25 or so and now as a senior citizen can truly recognize it.

    There is an earlier post about teaching children about firearms and helping them to be over their curiosity. That is about as good as you can do but you still need to be careful with them. The ones that claim they have taught their 3 year old not to touch a firearm so they don't have to worry about it are taking a big chance. You can teach a 3, 4, 5, 6......19, 20, 21 year old all kinds of things but you still can't be sure that they will obey it when tempted under the right circumstances. As a teenager I was probably much more "mature" than a lot of my friends in many ways and didn't do a lot of the dumb things that they did. However I still did my share and some of it was not because I did not know better, I just did it.

  10. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Kasper View Post
    Well I will be the one to say it then,If the kid is not smart enough to follow the directions of his father and the request of the older brother about not touching the older brother's things he needs to receive an ass whooping for not listening to his brother request and his father's direction of if it don't belong to you don't touch it.
    I raised 4 children. I never ran out of non-violent ways to discipline them. If you can't out think a kid you probably shouldn't have any.

  11. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    I raised 4 children. I never ran out of non-violent ways to discipline them. If you can't out think a kid you probably shouldn't have any.
    I agree totally. Non-violent methods do not necessarily eliminate all types of physical methods such as spankings. Every now and then I would have to pop the diaper of my oldest daughter. It ws long ago but I do remember her pitching a fit about something and I would "pop" her diaper. I doubt that she could hardly feel it but the noise and shock would make her all of a sudden stop and look around at me. Punishment should never be administered in an angry or vengeful way. That is where the abuse starts and if you calm down before punishing your child you probably will find that beating the **** out of him doesn't do a lot of good, in fact will probably make things worse.

    {down from my soapbox**

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