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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Torch View Post
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    We Texicans don't recognize Plano as part of the Republic. Plano is the land of rich heroin addicted youth. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasd View Post
    Some of you (in talking about Indiana and Alabama) are forgetting that "Shall Issue" does not mean it's automatic, in any state.

    The difference between shall and may is that instead of you having to prove why you need a permit/license, the government has to prove why you shouldn't have one.
    I understand the distinction, and also understand that Bama sheriffs could start demanding proof of need, but the fact is, they don't. That's why I said, "For all intents and purposes" this is a shall issue state. It's not technically, but it is in practice.

    The first time I applied in this state (in Cullman County) about 15 years ago, I was asked on the form why I wanted the permit. I asked the lady behind the counter if they were looking for any particular answer, or if there were any answers I should steer clear of. She shrugged her shoulders and said, "Most people just say 'self-defense'." I've never been asked any questions since then, except for, "May I see your driver's license?" So though they legally could, in practice, they simply don't make us prove a need of any kind.

    I'm not arguing against working towards making Bama a full-on shall issue state. I'm just letting readers here know that just because this state specifically has not reached that status yet, it doesn't make the state unfriendly to those who wish to carry. I've held permits in two other states, WA and CO, both many years ago, and both were harder and more expensive to get than here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rabywk View Post
    Nevada will not recognize CCW holders that have non-res permits. So since I am an IL res with a PA & FL non-res permit, I cannot carry there.

    Actually you can carry there, just not concealed. Nevada is open carry friendly and car carry friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torch View Post
    Indiana??? Are you kidding me?

    Indiana is a may issue state for pete's sake. That alone puts it in the bottom 15. You must apply to a law enforcement office who chooses to recommend whether to approve or deny your application. Then the app goes to a superintendent who determines whether you have a good character and reputation and worse, that you have a proper reason for wanting to carry (I'm guessing that the 2nd ammendment isn't good enough reason). :barf: If you're lucky enough to be approved the superintendent can revoke your license at will.

    You also can't carry in a car without a license. No, Indiana doesn't belong in the list.

    My list would be:

    1. Alaska
    2. Vermont
    3. Arizona
    4. Utah and Texas
    6. Florida

    At the bottom of the list in no particular order would be:

    New York, New Jersey, Illinois, California, Hawaii.
    You took the words directly out of my mouth- from the beginning of your post to the end. With the exception of Oregon as being one at the bottom of the list. Although Oregon is a shall issue state they leave the issuance up to the local county sheriffs and it is slighlty tougher in some counties (like Multnomah) to get a CCW than others and you must be a resident in the county where your permit is issued. In some counties there is a time requirement to establish that residency.
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    Indiana is being made to appear less gun friendly than it really is. The fact is, I would not have included it on this list if I didn't know firsthand what it is like there. The fact is, Indiana is extremely gun friendly, from being shall issue (not may issue as others have opined), from not requiring training to get a permit, to offering lifetime permits. Also, the part about being asked why one wants a permit is deceptive. On the form where that question is asked, there are two choices (target shooting and personal protection) and you have to pick one. In my case, the personal protection box was already checked. Also, once the background check is done, if no felonies show up, the permit will be approved. The personal character "assessment" is done based on whether or not any felonies show up on the background check. If any do show up then the permit will be denied, which is a moot point anyway, due to the fact that felons are not allowed to own firearms, much less carry them, as per federal law. The personal character assessment is not arbitrary and capricious, subject to be denied based on whether the police chief likes the applicant.

    Basically, if you are an adult non felon, Indiana is 100% shall issue. If you are a felon, Indiana is 100% no issue. That's the way it ought to be.

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    South Dakota

    You forgot South Dakota. It has been a very gun friendly state for decades. We've had "Shall Issue" since about 1984. Also SD accepts all state carry permits. About the only thing we don't have is car carry without permit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwvirtual View Post
    You forgot South Dakota. It has been a very gun friendly state for decades. We've had "Shall Issue" since about 1984. Also SD accepts all state carry permits. About the only thing we don't have is car carry without permit.
    Actually, South Dakota's attorney general issued an opinion stating that unlicensed car carry is legal as long as the weapon is not concealed.

    And yes, you're right. South Dakota's permit is extremely cheap, it is open carry friendly and car carry friendly (in car weapon cannot be concealed), no restrictions on magazine capacity, class III friendly, and it honors permits from every state. If I could revise the list, I would probably put it ahead of Florida.
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    I'm taking a class this week in Colorado (yes, my CCW is here with me :) ). One of the guys in the class is from Michigan and has a Michigan permit. I'm SHOCKED at all of the restrictions that Michigan has. They have to register their firearms and they have a limit on how much ammo they can have and have to track their range time, etc. and be prepared to show when and where the ammo they purchased was expended. He also said it is illegal for any child under 12 to handle a firearm. No hunting, no plinking, no nothing.

    tattedupboy, you seem to still be offended by my Indiana comments. The last thing I'll say on this issue is that while Indiana may in practice be 100% shall issue today, the way your laws are written would allow that to change very quickly should the political climate change. I recommend you get your lifetime permit asap and hope that the 'administrator' doesn't decide to revoke it in the future.

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    Vermont and Alaska rank #1, you don't need a permit in either state. Alaska offers one simply for reciprocity purposes. Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Florida and Idaho are also good states.

  11. I think Kentucky should be ranked near the top.

    - Not because I live here but because when I travel to other states they are almost always more restrictive than KY.

    NC - Paid admission prohibits (Opps)
    TN - Dinner at Applebee's a no-no (Opps again)
    TX and TN Private Posted locations illegal... etc

    Most other states seem to have weird "where'd that come from" prohibitions.

    - everything from Churches to Restaurants - tough to keep track of all of -em.

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