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Thread: Gun show leaves two injured, lands a third in jail

  1. Quote Originally Posted by FloridaBlue View Post
    The Florida gun shows that I have been to here all do the zip tie around the trigger as well but there are sheriff's at the front clearing the weapon, unloading the mags and then they zip tie the triggers. Whether this guy had been drinking or not is pointless as it was still a discharge in a public area that caused injury to two innocent people and thankfully it was only minor injuries at that.
    That just sounds like one of the dumbest practices I have ever heard of, zip tying the trigger...
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Down here, our weapons are secured at gun shows in the same manner described by NavyLT and you are not allowed to bring ammunition into the building. The zip tie remains in place until you have exited the building.

  4. #13
    So they allow you to zip tie your own gun???? Here in VA you hand your gun to the cop at the door and HE checks to make sure the gun is clear and put the zip tie thru your barrel so your slide can't ride home. I'm pretty sure it's MAJOR crap if you cut it while in the show.

  5. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by walt629 View Post
    Not that I don't think the guy is a moron and should spend more than a weekend in jail just for making gun owners look bad, but I have to question the enforcement of the regulations at the show. Who in their right mind, with todays anti-gun environment would think it's Okay to carry unsecured ammunition into the show? Unsecured in the effect that this twit had a loaded magazine that could have been slapped into a display gun and used in a bad way!

    I put some of the blame for this on the proprietors of the show for not taking assured actions to prevent this type of action from happening. And why the hell are they serving alcohol at a gun show? WTF?! Or did this guy show up after downing a couple of beers and he was granted admission anyway? Again WTF?!

    Stupid people will always be stupid but the proprieters need to be smarter than the stupid people and enact regulations that will prevent stupid people for doing stupid thing in their show. IMHO of course.
    For every post that I see complaining about the proprietors of a gun show not being strict enough I can also find one that swears that they will never go to a gun show where they can't walk around wearing their gun just as they always do. Then there are the ones that say there is nothing wrong with having a few beers while carrying especially if they have to be disarmed at a gun show.

    You are correct about stupid people do stupid things but to blame the operators of the gun show for not enforcing the rules sounds exactly like what the Brady Bunch says about all guns and gun laws. What I find in this thread is a lot of nit-picking posts about terminology and trying to blame someone for not protecting people from an average gun show attendee when we at the same time complain about them trying to enforce those same rules upon us.

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    It was a very dumb decision on his part.. Some people just don't have the common sense to carry a gun.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by FN1910 View Post
    For every post that I see complaining about the proprietors of a gun show not being strict enough I can also find one that swears that they will never go to a gun show where they can't walk around wearing their gun just as they always do. Then there are the ones that say there is nothing wrong with having a few beers while carrying especially if they have to be disarmed at a gun show.

    You are correct about stupid people do stupid things but to blame the operators of the gun show for not enforcing the rules sounds exactly like what the Brady Bunch says about all guns and gun laws. What I find in this thread is a lot of nit-picking posts about terminology and trying to blame someone for not protecting people from an average gun show attendee when we at the same time complain about them trying to enforce those same rules upon us.
    There is ONE person who is 100% responsible for that negligent discharge. That's the guy who pulled the trigger or whose playing with his gun caused it to discharge. It doesn't matter what the gun show required/didn't require/enforced/didn't enforce and it doesn't matter if the guy was falling down drunk or had never consumed alcohol in his life. It was 100% NEGLIGENCE on his part.

    I still stand by what I have said: people need to be held accountable for their actions, not what they carry or where they are carrying it.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  8. NavyLT, I was kind of surprised myself the way they were securing them but I don't bring any guns with me so I didn't give it much of a thought until this thread popped up.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by FloridaBlue View Post
    NavyLT, I was kind of surprised myself the way they were securing them but I don't bring any guns with me so I didn't give it much of a thought until this thread popped up.
    It seems just plain dumb to tie wrap the trigger when there is a much more effective and safe way to do it. Of course they would have to pay 10 cents extra each for the larger tie wrap required to go through the magazine well or barrel.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    It seems just plain dumb to tie wrap the trigger when there is a much more effective and safe way to do it. Of course they would have to pay 10 cents extra each for the larger tie wrap required to go through the magazine well or barrel.
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  11. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    It seems just plain dumb to tie wrap the trigger when there is a much more effective and safe way to do it. Of course they would have to pay 10 cents extra each for the larger tie wrap required to go through the magazine well or barrel.
    NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST THE MEDIA.... but I have yet to see anyone tie the trigger and unless the guy writing the article was there and SAW that the trigger was tied... I will assume that they did it the same as they do here in GA.
    That aside, this is NOT the fault of the organizer, officers providing security or the vendor that sold him a holster. If I had to guess I would say he cut the tie, seated the magazine, released the slide and then attempted to jam the gun into a brand new holster that he had never used before. First time I use a new holster, I do it after having removed my mag and cleared my gun, 'cause the slide could potentially get caught in a very tight new hoslter or the trigger could get snagged, etc... As for having the magazine in hand, no organizer that I know of does a full pat down or cavity search or even uses metal detectors. They depend on attendees paying attention to and abiding my the rules.
    Soooo.... the point of my little tirade.... the fool that was handling the gun, is the one that deserves to take 100% of the responsibility for his irresponsible actions.

    but that's just me.... YMMV (as it usually does...)
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