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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsteele View Post
    Because what you are proposing would make entirely too much sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyk00diver View Post
    In my state my CCW allows me to for go a back ground check on new gun that i'm buying. That honestly blew me away i moved out here 2 years ago. I have always lived in a state with a long waiting period on all guns sold. I asked why the CCW here allows me to to bypass the check and was told because the CCW has a very detailed histry ran on me, so if I pass that search why should the state tie up the system when i buy a new gun. OK that makes total sence to me. !
    Don't know what state your in, but we have similar arrangement here in NC. To buy a handgun, you must first get a "psitol permit" from your county sherrif. But if you have a concealed carry permit, that requirement is waived. Your CC permit serves as a "pistol permit".

  4. Sorry, rdc2co.... you've bought into the koolade far too fully.

    If that's all they need to do to ensure my safety, then touch my 'junk' all day, I don't care. If I'm not doing anything wrong, who cares? What do you think happens when you are detained or arrested?
    Nobody wants to be killed in the next terrorist action- not even me. Is it better to get blown up or touched? Gee, touched or killed...the great dilemma...hmmmmm....

    Two things... we are a nation of LAWS... the core terms of which were drawn up about 1789 or so. They are STILL the law of the land. The Fourth Ammendment PRESERVES our RIGHT to freedom from any search (and feeling me up to see if I've got anything I oughtn't have is DEFINITELY a search.... no matter HOW you spin it) without a warrant, which warrant must be provided by a judge of a court having jurisdiction where I am, it must name the item or items being sought, the grounds for the belief I am likely to be in possession of them, and where they are likely to be found... the search being strictly limited to those terms as provided in the warrant. As LEO, you ought to know this. You "contact" me in a traffic stop, the Supreme Court has even declared you CANNOT search inside my vehicle beyond what you can easily see from the outside, unless you have a warrant, or probable cause. SO-- I'm standing in a line at the airport wanting to get to the seat on the particular airplane I have paid for.... no sign of anything illegal..... what POSSIBLE stretch of your wild and overactive imagination can possibly provide "probable cause" or grounds for a warrant? They WHY do you uphold the "right" (which does not exist) for our government goons to effect a search of my person without A or B? Warrant, or probable cause... ONE of those two MUST be in place before ANY government agent can search my person, effects, home (and by Supreme Court interpretation, my vehicle), or papers.

    You whine "safety"..... blown up? Come ON.... since 11 Sept 2001, there has not been ONE such terrorist activity on our shores that possibly could have been discovered by using TSA's insane methods. How many times have TSA actually discovered anything that posed a significant threat to any mode of public transport? I'll put it in round numbers... ZERO. How many truly dangerous objects have they discovered and confiscated by their insanely tyrannical searches? And I am NOT referring to Granny's kniting needles or a sealed tin of baby formula, a jar of a mother's breast milk, a twelve ounce sealed bottle of pure spring water, or some pre-teen's nail clippers. NOT ONE TIME have TSA ever discovered and seized anything posing a real threat to the travelling public.... but they HAVE failed to discover many such articles... a loaded handgun, a pocket knife with a three inch blade, dozens of similar items have gone undiscovered.... many of them deliberately carried as tests by secret TSA or other government agents. Their track record is SO BAD if they were a private company they'd have to be replaced... and we KNEW this would be the case when they first tossed all the private checking and formed a government entity to do it. Besides, the number of thefts of passenger's personal belongings has skyrocketed... I've had items stolen from my luggage since TSA began screening baggage...... and NEVER ONCE prior to that. There have been a number of cases where TSA agents and at times their supervisors have been caught and prosecuted for stealing from passengers.... or enabling those under them to do so. This was a non-issue before TSA were on the scene "helping" us and "protecing" us.

    Read the Fourth Ammendment to the Constitution.. YOU, as LEO, have sworn to uphold and defend this law... along with all the others in that document. Tell me what part of "freedom to be secure in one's person, papers, effects, and home" without due process of law... which clearly means an unique process of the legal system giving authority to search in every individual instance, not a blanket "fly on an airplane is probable cause for criminal activity, therefore a search is justified".

    Every time there is some sort of bogus "planted" threat (the pantybomber, the shoebomber, and others) it is taken up quickly and used to "justify" another round of offensive and worthless "security measures". What's next, some creep with a bomb in his bum? Yeah, just what we need to "justify" full X ray scanning of everyone for "bum bombs".......

    I already refuse to fly until the tyranny of the TSA is reined in and ended. Sixty five billion a year in direct costs, millions of hours of wasted customer time, delays, lost revenue from the airlines (mine, for starters), people arrested and harrassed for nothing... reflex and put your arm up to protect your head when the goons are smacking you around because you were "resisting arrest", and get charged with a federal felony for "assaulting a federal official"... it's happened. And we've not even counted ther millions that have, and will, be wasted from OUR tax dollars to defend against unacceptible conduct of TSA people against innocent travelers, with NO provocation.

    Good job that six year old girl is not MY daughter, and I wasn't there. I'd have flat refused that female's demands to treat her like that. No way would I ever allow any other person's hands to feel all over her body and get inside her pants. That is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG... I don't care if it cost our plane tickets..... that agent would NOT have ever gotten her hands on MY little girl. A Father is BOUND to defend his children against such outrages.... if that ever happened inside my home, that female would now be well on her way to being a registered sex offender..... and her being a "government agent" makes NO difference. It is STILL child molestation and sexual assault.

    I truly hope the State of Texas manages to pass their "boot the TSA" law... no pornoscanners, and sexual assault will remain sexual assault no matter WHO does it or why..... feel up a passenger at an airport, go to jail on felony charges. GO TEXAS......

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    Here you go rdc2co,

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    They sell the shirt with the front logo standard. I had the words printed on the back. You can have anything put on the back, if you like my idea feel free to use it. I saw it online somewhere and it made me laugh.

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  6. I'm going to start my own airline. I promise there will be no TSA patdowns. I promise everyone will breeze through the metal detector with never a beep. I promise your "security screening" will be 80% faster than any other airlines. I have only requirement. All clothing must be in checked baggage and you must remain naked from baggage check-in, throughout the flight, to baggage claim.

    Until we have a rectal bomber.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    I am flying to Seattle next week, and to Vegas in early June (going to Front Sight, baby!). I will refuse the pornoscan, and if forced to undergo the rape pat, I fully intend to embarrass the screener as much as humanly possible. The entire time he is touching me inappropriately, I will be moaning and adding my own dialogue to the proceeding.

    "Oh, yeah, baby. Right there. A little left, oh yeah, don't stop! Ohh, do you like it, baby?"

    Wonder how quick my pat down will go?
    "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson

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    When in service was trusted with key for 9 megatons on Titan II, MAD was the operating wisdom (Mutually Assured Distruction) you touch my junk as I hold yours for a MAD moment. LOL

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    The TSA is just another police force among too many police forces in this country. The government makes another police force as a "feel good" response to violence. It does nothing but create another money pit for our tax dollars to be thrown into. In this country, a long time ago, they did not have nearly as many police forces, but they did have public hangings. That was a much stronger message to criminals than more prisons and more police forces ever will be. JMHO.

  10. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomboy007 View Post
    I am flying to Seattle next week, and to Vegas in early June (going to Front Sight, baby!). I will refuse the pornoscan, and if forced to undergo the rape pat, I fully intend to embarrass the screener as much as humanly possible. The entire time he is touching me inappropriately, I will be moaning and adding my own dialogue to the proceeding.

    "Oh, yeah, baby. Right there. A little left, oh yeah, don't stop! Ohh, do you like it, baby?"

    Wonder how quick my pat down will go?
    They will probably pull you to the side and give you the third degree. The Gestapo and the KGB would have been proud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by handgonnetoter View Post
    They will probably pull you to the side and give you the third degree. The Gestapo and the KGB would have been proud.
    You may be right, but I will simply let your signature speak for me, too.
    "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson

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