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  1. #31
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    I have nothing but contempt for the TSA and everyone who works for them.

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    No intention to offend anyone....

    Chap- Thanks for the link. I already have a couple of friends who want them, too! LMAO
    NavyLT- I want to fly on your airline when you get Victoria's Secret as a sponsor! LOL
    For everyone else:
    It is not my intention to hurt anybody's feelings. Here are some facts- there have been numerous attempts on aircraft, some are public info, some are not. I am privy to most of them. Remember the 'shoe bomber' a few years ago?
    Airline terror plots and attacks since 2001 | World news | guardian.co.uk
    Terrorism:Attempt to Bomb Northwest Airlines Flight 253 on Christmas Day, 2009
    Fact: I had friends and family in WTC 9-11-01. I miss them very much.
    Fact: The Fourth Amendment was not written before terrorism was such a wide issue.
    Fact: Yes, lots of things get through airport security. That's WHY they are buckling down. I have friends whose job it is to try to get things past the screeners. I know that song and dance well.
    Fact: No warrant or 'probable cause' is needed at the courthouse, Mint, or Military Base. These places are looked at under special circumstances.
    Fact: I, too, have learned the hard way to keep valuables with me in my carry-on. Luggage theft is nothing new. I know people who had stuff stolen from their luggage in 1933 and another guy lost stuff in 1949. That will never change. Any time you relinquish control of personal belongings, you risk possible theft. It happens and there's nothing anyone can do about it. put a dirty diaper in your bag and some idiot will eventually steal it.....
    Look here!
    LiveLeak.com - DHS Warns Of Pregnant Prosthetic Belly Bombings

    BTW: Yes, that was her head hitting the camera....
    Enough said?

  4. #33
    I had to stop wearing my CCW badge at the airport because it sets off the metal detectors. Maybe I need to get a "tactical" polymer CCW Badge.

  5. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Lowjiber View Post
    I have nothing but contempt for the TSA and everyone who works for them.
    Hey, they put a Cub Scout on the "No-fly list".

  6. the shoe bomber was a sick joke.. likely a false flag plant. The pantybomber certainly was... didja read how he got a private escort past the TSA in Amsterdam? who WERE those two men in suits that escorted him from the ticket counter? Bit Sista Jannie said "the system worked"... no, that's a lie. The system was shortcircuited to get him on the plane, TSA were in place but did NOT screen him, his lame bomb was NOT found.... the "system" that did work is the ONLY one that is reliable, it has been in place for centuries, and costs ZERO tax dollars... private citizens, alert, and ready to do whatever it takes to bring a threat under control. No air marshalls on that plane.. how convenient, eh?...

    The shoebomber resulted in a stupid kneeejerk reaction, now everyone has to take their shoes off to board an airplane. (too bad ya can't go barefoot in the airports, right?). Even stupider kneejerk reaction to the pantybomber: move a few hundred "body scanners" from the warehouses where they were sitting, at the ready, for "just such a situation"... funny, the timing, isn't it? Even funnier were the outright lies TSA told us... they can't store images, they're safe, they can detect things like the pantybomber's device..... they can, and do, store and transmit images... read the specs sent round by TSA for the requirements for these machines. They are NOT safe.... radiation is many times that of a chest X-ray.. and concentrated on the skin, which is not equipped to handle it. And they can NOT detect devices like the one used on Northwest Amsterdam to Detroit in December 2009.

    Can anyone cite a third SERIOUS attempt... actually, ANY serious attempt, as neither the shoe nor britches bombers were serious attempts.

    As to Fourth Ammendment..... I don't care how big a threat terrorism gets, the Fourth Ammendment stands... and is the LAW of the land. Read your history and find out WHY they insisted on writing that one. And don't tell me about courthouses, mints, or military bases.... these are, effectively, private businesses, and pose a high risk of danger to those working them. Even so, those lawfully carrying concealed weapons should yet be able to in those places. Remember, we had a serious terrorist attack at Fort Hood, where a moslem whackjob preyed on a "gun free zone" and held a massacre. Dontcha get it, "gun free zones" are criminal safe zones... outlaw weapons for the law-abiding, guess who WILL have them? And does.... Bear in mind, as well, that for courts and the like, they do screen everyone entering, there ARE armed LEO present, and, for the most part, we have the option of not going there. In any case, I would take a strong stand that even those searches violate the Fourth Ammendment. The mints, and military bases, are, in effect, private property..... access restricted to those who work there. Try and enter a military base without a weapon..... for the most part, can't do it. Nor can I enter Microsoft's facility in Bellevue, or behind the counter at my local bank, or the Starbucks Headquarters in Seattle.....


    One more question, then I'm done..... (whew......) How many attempts have been made, during the past ten years, on passengers or the airliners themselves, of Israel's airline? How much "screening" is there done as passengers board? How much money do Israel spend annually on airport security? Compare those with the insanity we endure here in the USA.... the "land of the free and home of the brave"...... sorry, but we are NOT free here, and, because we have been trained to rely on the government for everything, bravery is almost a thing of the past. But not entirely... remember WHO neutralised the pantybomber as he tried to detonate his "device?..... and WHO neutralised the threat in progress as the Tucson Arizona shooter effected his destruction... and WHO neutralised the threat in progress at Virginia Tech..... and WHO neutralised the threat in progress at Columbine?

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    Well lookie there, the TSA set up shop (Oct. 2011) in the police state of TN! Who would of thunk it? TSA on the highways and in bus stops???? HMMM? They say the TSA was invited into the state, by the state to do a test. Ya it was a test, a test to see how much flack the lawabiding citizens would bring up! Keep quite Americans and we will ask you for your papers just so you can walk to the corner store to pick up a loaf of bread and a six pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyk00diver View Post
    So why does the TSA look at everyone like they are a bad guy?

    Just curious what you guys think? oh by the way have any of you seen the video of the Tsa agent doing a full pat down search on a 6 year old girl? It is a truly sad thing to watch!
    The TSA is the lowest scum-of-the-earth. Their "agents" have stolen so much from my luggage in the past ten years that I've quit filing claims for reimbursement. It's an agency that was established with good intentions, but has always been ran by idiots...remember when a nail clipper was considered a weapon?

    Add to their management incompetence the fact that they hire the lowest-common-denominator employees and they've infiltrated their own organization with perverts, one-bullet-Barneys, and downright idiots.

    The terrorists have already won.

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    re theft from luggage

    Yes, theft of items from luggage is a definite issue. I write (or type) up an inventory of everything in each piece of luggage. I copy it and keep it with me and one in the luggage item itself- just to let them know that I'm keeping track of my stuff. So far, it has worked- at least for two trips, anyway.
    If I buy items while on vacation (gifts, souvenirs, etc), I write that separately on the bottom of the sheet. Once again, this lets them know: "Hey, you're being watched." I had some prescription medications for migraines removed from a suitcase. Six tablets = roughly $100.00- I bet they made a good profit.....I no longer put anything of any value in my suitcase. Wal-Mart has some re-usable shopping bags that I buy and put in my suitcase. If I buy something, I just have one extra carry on............

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    Fly out to Vegas and AZ on regular basis, Vegas for the National Finals Rodeo and Az to visit friends and family, fly with a weapon all the time two pound western belt buckle on end of 3' leather belt. No issues. TSA is usless waste of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdc2co View Post
    I'm ok with them doing pat-downs. I have seen trouble in an airport (turned out to be nothing, thank God) and I don't want to be on the plane that blows up. I'm originally from NY- enough said?
    Yes, that pretty much explains it.

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