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    Quote Originally Posted by SonoraRebel View Post
    Wanna bet? Where the hell are you from... New Jersey?
    NJ, the only state that MAY be more commie than my home state of MA, Here in VA they'd drag out the dead guy, take a statement and be on their way. I worked with a guy who shot and wounded an intruder and every cop on scene ripped him a new a$$hole for NOT killing him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SonoraRebel View Post
    Wanna bet? Where the hell are you from... New Jersey?
    Sure! I'll take that bet!

    You go ahead and shoot someone dead for stealing your lawn gnome.

    If you end up doing jail time, I win.

    As to where I'm from, that "ID" in the upper right hand corner of the little box means "Idaho."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SonoraRebel View Post
    Wanna bet? Where the hell are you from... New Jersey?
    The post you're writing about (from localgirl) summarizes Massad Ayoob's advice in his book titled "In The Gravest Extreme." Mas says basically it doesn't matter where your from, if you shoot someone in self defense it will probably ruin your life. You'll be investigated and rarely will the police have the final say, most times the DA will present the case to a grand jury and an indictment may occur only because there were a lot of anti's on the jury. Your guns may be taken away pending the outcome of the investigation leaving you defenseless, depending on the laws in your state you may be sued by the perp or his family and you'll have to live with the religious and moral ramifications of your actions (most normal people have difficulty using deadly force). One must also consider there may be significant legal expenses that could deplete savings for retirement or equity in one's home.

    I believe she is merely expressing that it's a tool of last resort. Even in states such as NY, you may use deadly physical force to stop or thwart a burglary or assault. Most states will base your defense of justification on the standard of the reasonable person, which is moving definition based on many circumstances.
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    Arizona: ARS 13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention; applicability

    A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or first degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section 13-1304, manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree murder under section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor under section 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child molestation under section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904 or aggravated assault under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1 and 2.
    B. There is no duty to retreat before threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force justified by subsection A of this section.
    C. A person is presumed to be acting reasonably for the purposes of this section if the person is acting to prevent the commission of any of the offenses listed in subsection A of this section.
    D. This section is not limited to the use or threatened use of physical or deadly physical force in a person's home, residence, place of business, land the person owns or leases, conveyance of any kind, or any other place in this state where a person has a right to be.

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    Sign at my local Veterinarians: 'Unattended children will be neutered and sold as slaves' Sign on my back door: 'Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again.' I fly one or more of the flags of the Confederacy... or any other damn flag I choose. The illegals know the 'battle flag' means you stand a good chance of gettin' whacked, so they stay away. This is the desert... it's what we do 'n who we are.

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    Take a hard look at these two. Hell, people like them are the reason I carry a gun!


  8. @localgirl, three times this year already a bg has been shot, killed for trespassing during the commission of a crime and not in the house here in SC. Victim was cleared and resumes everyday life. If there is trespass for the purpose of or during a crime or forcibly enters a home in SC, there is a presumption of fear of imminent danger and lethal force can be used. Upon being cleared of wrong doing on the part of the victim they are immune to criminal AND civil prosecution. Its called the Castle Doctrine. This also applies to being in ones car in public where they have a legal right to be. In SC we don't have to retreat. In fact during hours of darkness anyone trespassing on private property is taking their life in their own hands and the property owner doesn't even have to say stop. It's called PPPA ( Personal Protection Property Act )
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    Castle Doctrine..

    I was once asked this question by a neighbour because of an incident recently concerning a utility marker guy who insists he has the right to enter our properties anywhere he likes. (Our side road is under construction...long story, I wouldn't bother you all with the details.) --"Where does Castle Doctrine really start? Would it be on your property line or inside your house?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker's Mom View Post
    I was once asked this question by a neighbour because of an incident recently concerning a utility marker guy who insists he has the right to enter our properties anywhere he likes. (Our side road is under construction...long story, I wouldn't bother you all with the details.) --"Where does Castle Doctrine really start? Would it be on your property line or inside your house?"
    In Texas the Castle Doctrine defines "habitation" and from the wording does not include the property. With that said, the next defense of property outside the habitation falls under your perceived threat of death or bodily injury and Criminal trespass Sec. 30.05. CRIMINAL TRESPASS.
    So you can deal with them in the house as needed, but the rules change out in the yard.

    PENAL CODE TITLE 7. OFFENSES AGAINST PROPERTY CHAPTER 30. BURGLARY AND CRIMINAL TRESPASS Sec. 30.01. DEFINITIONS.
    In this chapter:
    (1) "Habitation" means a structure or vehicle that is adapted for the overnight accommodation of persons, and includes:
    (A) each separately secured or occupied portion of the structure or vehicle; and
    (B) each structure appurtenant to or connected with the structure or vehicle.
    (2) "Building" means any enclosed structure intended for use or occupation as a habitation or for some purpose of trade, manufacture, ornament, or use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker's Mom View Post
    I was once asked this question by a neighbour because of an incident recently concerning a utility marker guy who insists he has the right to enter our properties anywhere he likes. (Our side road is under construction...long story, I wouldn't bother you all with the details.) --"Where does Castle Doctrine really start? Would it be on your property line or inside your house?"
    I don't exactly know what you mean by entering anywhere he likes but he does have the right to enter your property in order to mark the utilities anywhere he reasonably thinks they might be and to reasonably access in any reasonable manner he needs to. Note the words reasonable and by that if the side road is blocked then he can enter via the front. He is not trespassing as you gave him the right when you accepted the service from the utility or allowed the utility to be placed on your property.

    As for the Castle Doctrine I do not know the details in MO but in SC it does not matter whether you are inside or outside your house. All that is required for it to apply is that you are in a place where you have the right to be. The Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground are combined in SC into the Persons and Property Protection Act I think it is called. I know it is the PPPA and covers you anywhere you have the right to be as long as you are not breaking any law and do not start it.

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