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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisck View Post
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    Also I worked in a duty position where one of our duties was to relay info to what we call the trash collectors (I think that was just what the 10 of us called them). But the whole job of this group of a dozen or so soldier was to go where ever needed to escort deserters that had been picked up by the police back to Fort Campbell. They literally fly all over the world. Mostly inside the US of course but they would go anywhere that would honor a US warrant. The Army no longer tries to track you down. A warrant is placed for you and they just wait until you get caught for something small (like speeding). Some of these guys ran off 5, 6, 7, and in one case 15 years before. The warrant just stays out for you until you get caught. So if he doesn't go back to at least get kicked out, renewing a driver’s license, CPL, or anything through the government isn’t going to work.
    Maybe it's me but this seems to be exactly the type of thing that would pop up on NICS.

    Also I may be wrong about this but isn't the entire National Guard Fedralized now? And if so, wouldn't that make the charge of desertion even more serious?

    FWIW If you didn't show up for 6 months my old Guard unit just sent you a bill for any lost TA-50 and a BCD which would be a definite disqualifier
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    Depends on how the state has the law written. He will be lucky if they don't label him as a deserter. Whether he thought quitting was a good idea or not its a contract he broke. That will stick with him. If he ever tries to get a new job or has a background check that will come back to haunt him. Renewing his permit should be the least of his worries.

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    Deserter, his life will become a living hell, forget family, friends and if you do have a family how do you intend to support them, go back and pray for A-15 and move on with your commitment. PS: when retirement/medicare comes a DD-214 beats a BCD hands down.

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    When you leave the Jedi Order and become a Sith, the price is usually quite high. Not to mention all the Jedi get prety ticked off at you.

  6. Him not "feeling it" in my opinion (as I am as well a Soldier) is a good reason for him to basically quit.
    I'm sorry but that doesn't sound like a soldier statement. There are days were being in service sucks no doubt about it but when you signed that contract for however many years you agreed to do it. A job in the military is a service to every free man and women in the United States and deserves that respect be it Active, Reserve, Guard etc.... If you want a job where you can quit just because your not "feeling it" then tell your friend to man up, do his time and go get a job at McDonalds when he's done. However if he just refuses to return even they'll turn him down and if he gets that dishonorable discharge he can kiss several privileges good bye.

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    Did he really just stop going or did he buy out the remainder of his contract. I know a few people that did that after the re-up'd and changed thier mind a year or two later. But to just quit... he'll pay for that.

  8. Well if he got and "other thank honorable conditions" discharge he fine. That is still technically honorable. However if he went UA or "AWOL" as the army bubbas call it then he is ******. As soon as he tries to purchase or renew the marshals will snath his ass up and off to the brig he goes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itstjs View Post
    'Ok, so a friend of mine in the Army National Guard, basically quit. He apparently didnt "feel it" anymore. He quit showing up to drill. He has a valid Michigan CPL at the moment. He started wondering apparently and asked me, "do you think I can continue renewing my CPL after it expires with a General Discharge, or Other than Honorable Discharge?" I didnt know how to answer the question.
    I understand his reasons for basically quitting. Hes been in for 3 years, no deployments, hes starting a family, and making decent money at his job. Him not "feeling it" in my opinion (as I am as well a Soldier) is a good reason for him to basically quit.
    I personally wouldnt want someone in who just doesnt care anymore to train along side me, or fight with me, Id feel theyre not giving it 100% when it matters most, or isnt paying attention.
    But question is, can he still renew his CPL or even continue to purchase firearms with those discharges? I know its National Guard, but still a good question, I didnt know how to answer him, I just told him I wasnt sure and went about our day.
    Anyone here have knowledge on this?
    The man is a deserter. It USED to be a felony, I don't THINK it is anymore, though. Also, the reason for background checks is to identify people who have problems following society's rules. I personally feel that a person who cannot keep his word (He DID sign a contract with the state) may fall into that category. Life is tough, so what do you do, just quit? Millions of us have served, and for much longer periods of time, as well as did our time in combat. My two cents.

  10. Perhaps your friend failed to notice but we are involved in two conflicts. If the trial council really wanted to he could pursue "death or other such punishment" military courts (courts martial) are very different than civilian courts. The court (jury) is made up of military members, usually officers but must include at least one enlisted member if an enlisted is to be tried. They are NOT going to look kindly on his actions.

    Every potential court member has been to funerals, and is likely to feel exactly the same as the members here. Do your friend a favor convince him to go back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Mustang View Post
    Perhaps your friend failed to notice but we are involved in two conflicts. If the trial council really wanted to he could pursue "death or other such punishment" military courts (courts martial) are very different than civilian courts. The court (jury) is made up of military members, usually officers but must include at least one enlisted member if an enlisted is to be tried. They are NOT going to look kindly on his actions.

    Every potential court member has been to funerals, and is likely to feel exactly the same as the members here. Do your friend a favor convince him to go back.
    Ok let's be realistic:

    Amoung those who evaded combat were about forty thousand who were believed to have deserted before the enemy...A total of 2864 , however, were tried by general courts-martial and sentenced to terms of 20 years or death... And of the death sentences decreed by the general courts 49 were approved .... So the military representatives of the United states followed a practice of commuting death sentences... This was the practice in every case except one . No deserter was actually shot except Private Slovik

    The Execution Of Private Slovik
    Copyright 1954,1970 By William Bradford Huie
    Piblished by DELL PUBLISHING CO., INC New York
    There has been one American shot for desertion since the mid 19th century I'm sure our hero is fairly safe.
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