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    ATF ruling on "shotguns"

    I've read that the ATF has or is about to rule that a shotgun with a pistol-grip stock is no longer a shotgun and must have a special license to own. Is that true?
    Charlie

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieK View Post
    I've read that the ATF has or is about to rule that a shotgun with a pistol-grip stock is no longer a shotgun and must have a special license to own. Is that true?
    Pistol Grips and Shotguns
    Firearms with pistol grips attached:
    The definition of a shotgun under the GCA, 18 U.S.C.
    § 921(a)(5), is “a weapon designed or redesigned, made or
    remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed
    or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of
    an explosives to fire through a smooth bore either a number
    of ball shot or single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.
    Under the GCA, 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(29)(A), handgun
    means “a firearm which has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand.” Federal law
    provides under 18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1), that if the firearm to be
    transferred is “other than a rifle or shotgun,” the purchaser
    must be 21 years of age or older.
    Certain commercially produced firearms do not fall within
    the definition of shotgun under the GCA even though
    they utilize a shotgun shell for ammunition. For example,
    firearms that come equipped with a pistol grip in place of
    the buttstock are not shotguns as defined by the GCA.
    A firearm with a pistol grip in lieu of the shoulder stock is
    not designed to be fired from the shoulder and, therefore,
    is not a shotgun. Since it is a firearm “other than a rifle or
    shotgun,” the purchaser must be 21 years of age or older.
    Additionally, interstate controls apply. The licensee and
    transferee must be residents of the same State.Other questions raised pertain to entries made in the
    licensee’s required records with respect to firearm “type.”
    These entries should indicate the firearm type as “pistol grip
    firearm.”
    Age Restriction & Interstate Transfer Reminders
    Licensees are reminded that firearm frames, receivers, and
    other firearms that are neither handguns nor long guns
    (rifles or shotguns) are considered “Other Firearms.” They
    cannot be sold or delivered by a licensee to any person under
    21 years of age. Additionally, 18 U.S.C. 922(b)(3) states that
    a licensee shall not sell or deliver any firearm other than a
    shotgun or rifle to any person who does not reside in the
    State in which the licensee’s place of business or activity is located;
    this restriction includes handguns, pistol grip firearms
    utilizing shotgun ammunition, and frames and receivers
    Read this as well

    http://www.nfaoa.org/documents/testttt20001.pdf

    Also read the thread already started on this topic.
    http://www.usacarry.com/forums/gener...ve-device.html

    THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!

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    JSDinTexas Guest
    Marxist obama has his boys putting out a study on shotguns. They are testing the waters to see if they can ban tactical shotguns, which will be segregated from so-called hunting shotguns by classifying various parts of the gun.
    Mentioned are:
    "(1) Folding, telescoping, or collapsible stocks;
    (2) bayonet lugs;
    (3) flash suppressors;
    (4) magazines over 5 rounds, or a drum magazine;
    (5) grenade-launcher mounts;
    (6) integrated rail systems (other than on top of the receiver or barrel);
    (7) light enhancing devices;
    (8) excessive weight (greater than 10 pounds for 12 gauge or smaller);
    (9) excessive bulk (greater than 3 inches in width and/or greater than 4 inches in depth);
    (10) forward pistol grips or other protruding parts designed or used for gripping the
    shotgun with the shooter’s extended hand."

    I said testing the waters - it is generally believed if he gets a 2nd term, he will move on this.
    You can see the study here: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/industry...n-shotguns.pdf

    My suggestion? Start buying Mossbergs, or at least a few Rem 870s

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    It reads as if the ruling does NOT apply to a shotgun with a buttstock AND and a pistol grip, since such a shotgun is designed to be fired from the shoulder while holding the pistol grip and forearm. Am I interpreting that correctly?
    Charlie

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    JSDinTexas Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieK View Post
    It reads as if the ruling does NOT apply to a shotgun with a buttstock AND and a pistol grip, since such a shotgun is designed to be fired from the shoulder while holding the pistol grip and forearm. Am I interpreting that correctly?
    I could be wrong (I was once in 1960 ) but I believe the USC citation is aimed at pistols that shoot shotgun rounds because of the wording concerning age to possess or purchase.
    And since I recently bought a shotgun with a collapsible stock and a pistol grip from a LE supply house for my personal home defense, I will guess we're ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieK View Post
    It reads as if the ruling does NOT apply to a shotgun with a buttstock AND and a pistol grip, since such a shotgun is designed to be fired from the shoulder while holding the pistol grip and forearm. Am I interpreting that correctly?
    That's correct. As long as the weapon has a shoulder stock, it can be defined as a shotgun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    That's correct. As long as the weapon has a shoulder stock, it can be defined as a shotgun.
    Thank you, G50AE. I guess I can keep my Benelli M1 Super 90 with a buttstock that has a pistol grip. Thanks.
    Charlie

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    OK, before anyone gets their undies too bunched, read the actual document.

    If you are referring to the ATF study, it's talking about importing firearms, and it's trying to classify guns as sporting or assault.

    This is a leftover from 1968, not something they're pulling out of the air right now. It went through several iterations, but the original intent was to keep cheap overseas weapons from being dumped in the US. The end result was the assault weapons ban in the 90s--since expired.

    So first, they're talking about imports, and y'all are always hollering about buying American, so there's one option.

    Second, this is an old study that has little credence today. Someone is going to have to pass legislation and earmark money before anything can actually happen, so you have plenty of time to stockpile if that is your desire.

    Third, the entire study is merely suggestions to Congress, not actual law.

    Fourth, this is strictly a document that discuses importation, not ownership. Own away, retrofit, and customize your weapons to your heart's content. Your Second Amendment rights will not be breached today.

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    Someone is going to have to pass legislation and earmark money before anything can actually happen, so you have plenty of time to stockpile if that is your desire.

    Third, the entire study is merely suggestions to Congress, not actual law.

    Fourth, this is strictly a document that discuses importation, not ownership. Own away, retrofit, and customize your weapons to your heart's content. Your Second Amendment rights will not be breached today.
    There are three things wrong with these statements.

    First, the BATFE is trying to "reinterpret" the 1968 document AGAIN to expand its list of banned-for-import firearms. Second, if they do this, it does not necessarily require any law to be passed. That is their aim with this.

    Third, the first step of anything is to take a piece nobody cares about.

    This must not be allowed to happen. I'm all for buying American but that is a PERSONAL CHOICE, not something for the government to legislate.

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    Well Ok, let's DO something about it then.

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