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    Burning of the American flag

    This is our American flag, some of fought for this American flag, we celecrate with it on numerous holidays, it is a ICON of our freedom. When I see this on the news it just pisses me off to no end, and what is worse it is now protected by OUR First Amendment. Is this right? Hell No!!

    Federal Flag Desecration Law (1968):

    In 1968, Congress passed the Federal Flag Desecration Law in response to a Central Park event in which peace activists burned American flags in protest against the Vietnam War. The law banned any display of "contempt" directed against the flag, but did not address the other issues dealt with by state flag desecration laws.

    Senate Rejects Flag Desecration Amendment

    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, June 28, 2006

    The Senate rejected by a single vote yesterday an effort to amend the Constitution to allow Congress to ban desecration of the American flag, after a two-day debate freighted with political calculations and sharp disputes over the limits of free speech.

    The 66 to 34 vote fell just short of the two-thirds majority required to approve a constitutional amendment and submit it to the states for ratification. It marked the latest setback for congressional attempts to supersede Supreme Court decisions in 1989 and 1990. Justices narrowly ruled that burning and other desecrations of the flag are protected as free speech under the First Amendment.

    As expected, three Republicans -- Robert F. Bennett (Utah), Lincoln D. Chafee (R.I.) and Mitch McConnell (Ky.) -- voted against the amendment. Fourteen Democrats voted for it. The House approved the measure 286 to 130 last year.

    Is nothing sacred in the USA any longer? What's next open hunting on the Bald Eagle?
    The Second Amendment is not about Hunting!!
    When the Government is afraid of of it's People, This LIBERTY
    When the People are afraid of the government, That is TYRANNY

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  3. We are a country founded on sedition. An entire nation born of rebellion against their lawful government. Now the concieted residents of this new nation dare to speak against the very spirit of protest that gave it birth? Tragic.

    Any law which forbids the desecration of a national symbol for the sole reason that it is a national symbol, forbids free speech and the sort of speech which ought to be the most protected, namely political speech. It is the basest form of tyranny.

    I would never personally choose to burn the flag, fly it upside down or show it any form of disrespect.

    However, the republic it represents enshrines individual liberty, and the rights of a free people to disagree publicly, with the powers that the same free people elected to govern them.

    I have not served this nation in uniform for nearly 18 years so that other people will believe the way that I do. That is the heart of a tyrant. I have served so that others may believe the way they choose, right or wrong, so long as they harm none. That is the heart of a free soul calling others to be the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Mustang View Post
    We are a country founded on sedition. An entire nation born of rebellion against their lawful government. Now the concieted residents of this new nation dare to speak against the very spirit of protest that gave it birth? Tragic.

    Any law which forbids the desecration of a national symbol for the sole reason that it is a national symbol, forbids free speech and the sort of speech which ought to be the most protected, namely political speech. It is the basest form of tyranny.

    I would never personally choose to burn the flag, fly it upside down or show it any form of disrespect.

    However, the republic it represents enshrines individual liberty, and the rights of a free people to disagree publicly, with the powers that that same free people elected to govern them.

    I have not served this nation in uniform for nearly 18 years so that other people will believe the way that I do. That is the heart of a tyrant. I have served so that others may believe the way they choose to right or wrong so long as they harm none. That is the heart of a free soul calling others to be the same.
    Well said. If we allow the a-holes to act like a-holes...at least then we know who the a-holes are.

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    I have mixed feelings here. I understand you do have the right to burn it, but imo its such a disrespect u need thrown outta the country, or at the very least your teeth bashed in. Just because you can burn it doesnt mean you should, if u dont like it leave

  6. ^^ "Doc Mustang" +1

    In my opinion, the real travesty is that so many voted to pass it...

    As stated above, I also would never choose to desecrate the flag. But if others feel strongly enough to do so, I believe it is their right.

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    The flag is a symbol of our country and over the years, millions have made the ultimate sacrifice defending what it represents. Anyone who disrepects the flag is basically spitting on the gaves of everyone who has ever fought and died for this country.

    However, the act of burning the flag (or stomping on it, spitting on it, flying it upside down or anything else that uber patriots consider disrespectful) harms no one. No one's life, liberty, or property is jeopardized as a result of flag desecration and for that reason, it should not be criminalized. Besides, how exactly does it benefit society to arrest a flag desecrator?
    Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

    Benjamin Franklin

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    as much as i diagree with burning the flag we can't pick and choose which laws we like and dont like. that doesnt mean that i probably wouldnt step in if i saw somebody burning a flag!!

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    The only time I would burn a Flag is when it is worn out or touches the ground

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    It is only in totalitarian regimes or monarchies that symbols become sacred. I did not serve to defend a piece of cloth but the freedom to express dissent.

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    Well said by all, and thank God we live in a country that has the Constitution that does preserve our freedoms

    I too served in the US Army and do not regret it. I believe I was preserving all of our rights not just certain Amendments That are important to my interests. As long as we stay free and tell all the foreign countries trying to change the USA they can kiss my ass.
    The Second Amendment is not about Hunting!!
    When the Government is afraid of of it's People, This LIBERTY
    When the People are afraid of the government, That is TYRANNY

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