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    Quote Originally Posted by CapGun View Post
    DUCK! Hey, are there any Duckdogs out there?
    Yea! They're called pointers. They're the ones that point at everyone else!

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    Don't allways agree...

    Treo, I don't always agree with you but this time I have to tell you... well said!

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    I wish that I could have "Liked" the OP twice, or may three times! I agree completely. I have caused other people at work to get a CCW because of discussions like this. When asked if I would enter a building where someone was shooting people to save them, I told them that I would not. The Second Amendment applies to everyone. Why should I lay down my life for someone who does not value his own life enough to defend himself. Several people came up to me after that conversation and asked what they needed to do to defend themselves. I had the pleasure of teaching a couple of them, and saw one get his CCW some months later. I find the real benefit to society are those that help others help themselves, not those that think thy have to protect everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Punch View Post
    When asked if I would enter a building where someone was shooting people to save them, I told them that I would not. The Second Amendment applies to everyone. Why should I lay down my life for someone who does not value his own life enough to defend himself.
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    I am more like my Rottie. Doesn't care if you aren't bothering me or the rest of the family. But enter our space and you will get a warning if not known and a possible threat. Continue on with your threat and you'd better be willing to defend yourself. If a friend, he'll let you in the yard, wait till you close the gate, and then put in an appearance. After dark he'll observe till the gate is closed and then put his nose in your hand. Sneaky dog.


    Which is way better than a Lab.

    Duck Hunt.
    UNBELIEVABLE!!

    ABSOLUTELY A TRUE STORY HEARD ON A WISCONSIN RADIO STATION

    REPORTING ON THE INCIDENT.

    A guy buys a new Lincoln Navigator for $42,500.00 with monthly payments of $560.00.

    He and a friend go duck hunting in upper Wisconsin.
    It's mid-winter.............and of course all of the lakes are frozen.

    These two guys go out on the ice with their GUNS, a DOG, and of course the new NAVIGATOR.
    They decide they want to make a natural looking open water area for the ducks to focus on, something for the decoys to float on.

    Now..................making a hole in the ice large enough to invite a passing duck, is going to take a little more power than the average drill auger can produce. So........................out of the back of the new Navigator comes a stick of dynamite with a short 40 second-fuse.

    Our two Rocket Scientists...........afraid they might slip on the ice while trying to run away after lighting the fuse (and becoming toast, along with the Navigator), decide on the following course of action:

    - they light the 40 second fuse; then, with a mighty thrust,
    - they throw the stick of dynamite as far away as possible.

    Remember a couple of paragraphs back when I mentioned the NAVIGATOR, the GUNS, and the DOG...?

    Let's talk about the dog:

    A highly trained Black Lab used for RETRIEVING; especially things thrown by the owner.
    You guessed it......................The dog takes off across the ice at a high rate of speed and grabs the stick of dynamite, with the burning 40-second fuse........... just as it hits the ice.

    The two men swallow, blink, start waving their arms and, with veins in their necks swelling to resemble stalks of rhubarb, scream and holler at the dog to stop.

    The dog, now apparently cheered on by his master, keeps coming.
    One hunter panics, grabs the shotgun and shoots the dog. The shotgun is loaded with #8 bird shot, hardly big enough to stop a Black Lab.

    The dog stops for a moment, slightly confused, then continues on. Another shot, and this time the dog, still standing, becomes really confused and of course terrified, thinks these two geniuses have gone insane!!!!!!

    The dog takes off to find cover, UNDER the brand new Navigator.

    The men continue to scream as they run. The red hot exhaust pipe on the truck touches the dog's rear end...................he yelps, drops the dynamite under the truck and takes off after his master.

    Then KA BOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

    The truck is blown to bits and sinks to the bottom of the lake, leaving the two idiots standing there with 'I can't believe this just happened' looks on their faces.

    The insurance company says that sinking a vehicle in a lake by illegal use
    of explosives is NOT COVERED by the policy. And he still had yet to make
    the first of those $560.00 a month payments.

    The dog is okay....doing fine.

    And to think you thought all Rednecks lived in the South.......


    The Lab is like the Sheepdog. He thinks he's there to help you but can put you in a world of hurt with good intentions. Don't be the Sheepdog.

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    I don't know how I personally stand on the subject in matter. I know someone posted if they heard shots and were ask to help they wouldn't (I'm not hating on this person at all everyone has right speak how they feel). I'm not saying I'm a sheepdog, a wanna-be LEO, Rambo, or a Hero. If I heard shots close to me, in my mind my safety is at a very high possibility of being compromised.

    Even if not seeing the threat directly, whose to say the BG won't end up walking out the door and start shooting in your direction. I don't know if I could live with myself knowing that many, many people could end up being killed and I did nothing to stop it. We all die someday, why not try to help on the way out.

    Just my .02 cents. (I'm sure I'll get flamed but its just what has been going through my head)
    Sic vis pacem, para bellum

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    I have to agree . A large part of the problem is people not willing to help each other , it doesn't have anything to do with playing Rambo. Could you look at yourself in the mirror or explain to your children why it was ok to let someone be attacked or killed when you could have stopped it?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by RJ_Whitlock View Post
    I don't know how I personally stand on the subject in matter. I know someone posted if they heard shots and were ask to help they wouldn't (I'm not hating on this person at all everyone has right speak how they feel).
    I think that many CCW's and armed folks in their homes, go through the thoughts that you have. In ones mind, every decision made is the correct one, we know who the bad guy is, etc. In the scenario above, you hear a call for help but how do you know if it's the good guy or bad buy is yelling?

    I'm not saying I'm a sheepdog, a wanna-be LEO, Rambo, or a Hero. If I heard shots close to me, in my mind my safety is at a very high possibility of being compromised.

    Even if not seeing the threat directly, whose to say the BG won't end up walking out the door and start shooting in your direction.
    I believe that if one hears shots, and are not actively engaged with the threat, one should probably be looking for a way to exit the area and avoid the threat so that you could avoid having to become engaged in a deadly force situation.

    I don't know if I could live with myself knowing that many, many people could end up being killed and I did nothing to stop it. We all die someday, why not try to help on the way out.

    Just my .02 cents. (I'm sure I'll get flamed but its just what has been going through my head)
    I don't think that you'll get flamed as I think lot of us go through the same thought process that you did. It's just that to some, including myself, that unknown circumstances in a violent situation, the potential for a gungho prosecutor and possibility of jail time, cost of defending oneself in court, etc. causes us to take a step back. As mentioned,since the person that you feel the need to help has the same option to chose a gun to protect themselves and didn't, we don't feel the requirement to interject.

    Maybe I'm a bad person because I have told friends that have CCW's , who occasionally carry or not carry at all, that they should not expect me to protect them if something breaks out just because they know that I nearly always have a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikridr View Post
    I have to agree . A large part of the problem is people not willing to help each other , it doesn't have anything to do with playing Rambo. Could you look at yourself in the mirror or explain to your children why it was ok to let someone be attacked or killed when you could have stopped it?
    Exactly! Where the did help your fellow man mentality go?
    Sic vis pacem, para bellum

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