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  1. #61
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    More than one against you start shooting just to "Stop" them.

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  3. #62
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    Yeah, Pepper Spray...nice fantasy. Loosing a liberal dose of pepper spray in an enclosed area will incapacitate you just as fast as it does the bad guys. Then what happens when more bad guys come in? People in mobs lose individuality, they start thinking that they can do as they please, safety in numbers. To re arrange that thinking error, place one in mortal danger, all of a sudden, others see that and remember to place their individual safety first. A gunshot or two or three can have a magical effect on an out of control group.
    MR

  4. #63

    This is a travesty

    I think I'm going to be sick. This stirs such strong emotions that we think it is worth attacking each other. Yet, nothing in six pages of posts truly addresses this problem.

    And I don't know if it can.

    First, blaming government, circumstance, parents, other kids, weather patterns, solar flares and any other external force is ignoring the facts. Everyone in this video KNOWS what they are doing is a CRIME. Quit making excuses for them. There comes a point in everyone's life where "He's such a good boy" and "He would never do that" quits being an affirmative defense, despite what the ACLU thinks.

    Apathy begets apathy - when was the last time you didn't report a crime because you "didn't want to get involved?" Did you vote every election? So who is responsible for government? Parents come the closest to being the cause, but we all grow up knowing what is right and wrong, and EVERY one of these people knew that there was a price on these items and a clerk in front of the store to collect money from them. They conspired to commit theft - that is obvious by the speed at which they did it. It was obviously planned.

    Has anyone truly looked at this from the store owner's point of view? Yes, he has insurance. and the more claims he files, the more his premiums climb. How does he determine what was stolen? The only accurate method is to close the store and inventory it - another ten hours of lost income. Oh wait, does 10 hours of store income exceed the total of what they stole? There's no way to know. What about the employees he is going to lose and have to keep replacing and the workman's compensation claims from trauma when these mob attacks scare the employee to death? The business issues are varied and complex and not as easy as a few stolen candy bars.

    Now, as far as defending the store. The state I used to live in had a law that said a group of individuals, acting in unison, could be considered a deadly threat, even if unarmed. This means if the doors are locked and the clerk is then set upon by two or three of this group, or they start to tear the store apart thereby terrorizing the other customers and the clerk, the clerk has every right to fire on these urban terrorists. Since the clerk hit the alarm when they entered, the police should mitigate any long-term damage after the address is updated to "shots fired" status. This also means that if any of their acts can be considered "terrorizing," they fall under the authority of Homeland Security and become Federal Charges and the mob a federal matter.

    The owner of the store, if he himself is behind the counter or has a clerk willing to be involved, can lock the doors, inform the group that they must pay for everything or be searched to be released. If anything violent starts, the clerk follows the law, retreating if necessary, then firing on the most aggressive attackers. The rest would most likely hide in the store or back room and everyone could be arrested by police. The dead and wounded and the involvement of Federal Law Enforcement would certainly mark the owner as one not to "Flash Mob" and go across the T.V. networks as a reason not to do it.

    Is this the answer? No, it's AN answer. It's no answer. It's a possibility of circumstances. So is me becoming a millionaire by winning the lottery. But the fact is nothing changes without INVOLVEMENT by everyone. You have to vote. You have to care when you think you hear a woman's muffled cries in an alley and it occurs to you it might be rape. Individual responsibility promotes social responsibility promotes societal harmony.
    Edmund Burke: “The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.” – 1784 speech. Taken from Founding Fathers Notes. "The unarmed man is not just defenseless -- he is also contemptible." Machiavelli

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by pafindr View Post
    You start pepper spraying in an enclosed area like that store and your costs will be much higher then the items that were stolen.
    So it's really up to you, let them go or spend a few days with the store closed for clean up and lots of contaminated merchandise in the trash.
    Right there, oh clever one. Maybe YOU shouldn't type words on your keyboard that you conveniently forget. (LOL!)

    GG
    Fanatics of any sort are dangerous! -GG-
    Which part of "... shall NOT be infringed..." confuses you?
    Well now, aren't WE a pair, Raggedy Man? (Thunderdome)

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Grognard Gunny View Post
    Right there, oh clever one. Maybe YOU shouldn't type words on your keyboard that you conveniently forget. (LOL!)

    GG
    Holy cow I can't believe I typed that!!

    No more typing on only three hours of sleep. Either that or dementia is setting in.

    My apologies to you GG and WoodDoctor you both were in the right to chastise me for what I wrote. I hope you can forgive my mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pafindr View Post
    Holy cow I can't believe I typed that!!

    No more typing on only three hours of sleep. Either that or dementia is setting in.

    My apologies to you GG and WoodDoctor you both were in the right to chastise me for what I wrote. I hope you can forgive my mistake.
    Accepted.
    "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."Frederic Bastia

  8. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by pafindr View Post

    Pepper spraying the whole place won't leave you with much. The vermin would run off (coughing and crying) and the police will still say that they can't tell who did what in the video. Then you would be left with nothing but clean up and damaged goods.
    If you are going to do something it should be something that would leave a very negative message to the vermin.
    Like any bully or bullies, one must fight back even if you lose. Once a bunch of people get a face full of Fox Labs pepperspray they won't be able to run fast and will remember the pain even if not caught. Word would spread and flash mobs would go to easier targets than the "Pepperspray Store".

    BTW I am not a store owner. I do think it would be worth it for a store owner to fight back with pepperspray though and be known for it.

    I carry Fox Labs (cause its the best & hurts the worst) pepperspray for my own protection in cases like flash mobs or attacks outside the Wisconsin Fairgrounds. These thugs are not just shoplifting stores, they are beating and robbing people in the streets, pulling people out of cars and attacking people enjoying sidewalk cafes. Usually a whiff of pepperspray will deter all but the most determined and dangerous criminals. If a mob keeps coming (which I highly doubt because I have used Fox Labs spray before and have myself been sprayed with it for training and I will never volunteer for it again!) it would be resonable to fear for ones life and take appropriate response. I wouldn't pop any rounds for property in a store but I wouldn't hesitate to start expending pepperspray.
    A man's life, liberty, and property are only safe when the legislature is NOT in session. Will Rogers

  9. #68
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    I agree that pepper spray would do more damage in the long run.

    Here is one if my thoughts, maybe someone can chime in on the legality.

    tazer one, incapacitated on the floor. Have a semi automatic shotgun or pistol at the ready. If they flee, detain the one for police. If the mob charges start fighting. If you run out ammo, keep fighting.

    From what I was taught, in hand to hand fighting against a group, focus on one person, start breaking fingers, guard your head, make that one person scream so much the others back off.

  10. #69
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    Maybe that is a little to aggressive...I think if pepper spray would work effectively, without destroying the rest of the merchandise, would be to make your way outside and start spraying them as they leave. That should slow them down enough for police to catch them hopefully.

  11. #70
    Not a good case for an application of gunfire. In most States you can't shoot and possibly kill an attacker just to protect property.

    Which kind of stinks cause these punks know that and they play with it.

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