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    Quote Originally Posted by firelooker View Post
    There you go bringing physical size into the argument, I carry the .45 not because I'm a smaller man (6'1" 190lbs) but I don't want to have to fire 18 rounds to take my attacker down. Now if it weren't for the problem of over penetration I would carry my 44Mag. remember the reason John Browning invented the .45 ACP our soldiers were carrying .38's which happens to be the same as 9mm and their attackers weren't being stopped, the .45 ACP did the job.
    Sorry but that is so far from correct that I have to jump in here. The military was in fact carrying the .38 short. Saying just .38's is very misleading and incorrect. As far as the .38's being the same as the 9 m.m.this is also incorrect as to size .355 compared to .357 weight 124 grain vs. 200 grain. The .45 was used so that the military could in fact penetrate the banana leaves and knock down the natives that they were fighting. The leaves were being worn as a primitive type of body armoure.
    Bill

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  3. S&w .38 special

    I think the size of the bullet matters when you can't even hit your Target. I'd rather put a single .38 special into my assailant and drop him. You pump out 15-18 rnds into someone, your going to jail for murder. The court will eat you alive. You look like a maniac carrying 3 18rnd mags. I have perfected (2 in the chest, 1 in the head).

  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by sgtbill:235906
    Quote Originally Posted by firelooker View Post
    There you go bringing physical size into the argument, I carry the .45 not because I'm a smaller man (6'1" 190lbs) but I don't want to have to fire 18 rounds to take my attacker down. Now if it weren't for the problem of over penetration I would carry my 44Mag. remember the reason John Browning invented the .45 ACP our soldiers were carrying .38's which happens to be the same as 9mm and their attackers weren't being stopped, the .45 ACP did the job.
    Sorry but that is so far from correct that I have to jump in here. The military was in fact carrying the .38 short. Saying just .38's is very misleading and incorrect. As far as the .38's being the same as the 9 m.m.this is also incorrect as to size .355 compared to .357 weight 124 grain vs. 200 grain. The .45 was used so that the military could in fact penetrate the banana leaves and knock down the natives that they were fighting. The leaves were being worn as a primitive type of body armoure.
    Bill
    Where can I get myself some of that body armoire? Is that like combat cupboards? LOL. Sorry, couldn't resist.

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by speelmanc:235925
    I think the size of the bullet matters when you can't even hit your Target. I'd rather put a single .38 special into my assailant and drop him. You pump out 15-18 rnds into someone, your going to jail for murder. The court will eat you alive. You look like a maniac carrying 3 18rnd mags. I have perfected (2 in the chest, 1 in the head).
    Dude, if that's your standard response, you'll be going to jail too. Murder 1.

    No problem with 2 in the chest. All handguns are ballistically deficient, anyway. The best personal defense handgun is a rifle! But I digress. Before you pop that last round into the computer, you'd better be able to articulate that your first warning (2 shots to the chest) failed to stop the threat.

    Furthermore, do you STILL look like a maniac when the jury finds out that you WERE carrying 3 mags and 45 rounds of ammo, but you used only the 1 or 2 rounds that were absolutely necessary to stop the threat?

    (here's a hint, sport: the answer is "no.")

  6. A jury doesn't care how many rounds you're carrying. Or what kind.

    Either the shoot was good, or it wasn't.
    I am Infantry, follow me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by speelmanc:235925
    I think the size of the bullet matters when you can't even hit your Target. I'd rather put a single .38 special into my assailant and drop him. You pump out 15-18 rnds into someone, your going to jail for murder. The court will eat you alive. You look like a maniac carrying 3 18rnd mags. I have perfected (2 in the chest, 1 in the head).
    I advise you to erase that last sentence. It completely ruins your reputation on so many levels. I also advise you to never say, think, or feel you have perfected anything, that is a terrible place to be when it comes to training.

  8. If you read the book Stopping Power it will give some great information on the 9mm and others. You can feel as safe with the 9mm as you would with any other.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Terminal Lance View Post
    Listen. As a former marine who had the PRIVELAGE of using his 9 mil during an Op. I will say that your source is wrong and the 9mm ball will effectively take down a man quickly with proper shot placement.
    Sometimes.

    Most times...not so much.
    I am Infantry, follow me!

  10. ^^^^^^

    Yeah have you shot a lot of people personally? And as for the guy who's "perfected 2 in the chest 1 in the head", that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. You've perfected nothing for starters, and unless that guy you're pumping full of bullets did something sick and twisted like kill your family while you watched, you should stick with enough shots until neutralized, otherwise you shouldn't be carrying as nothing would separate you from a "bg"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valorius View Post
    There is almost no difference in the performance of top 9mm, .357 sig, .40 and .45 loads.

    There are charts and ballistics gel tests all over the net that confirm this.
    I would suggest that you might want to grab a copy of Personal Defense 2011 from Shooting Times. Compare a Federal Hydra-Shok 230gr .45ACP with any 9mm Luger round they tested. Compare wound cavities. The only one that comes close is 9mm Speer Gold Dot 124gr. The only one in .45ACP that was below the 9mm group was a Federal 230gr FMJ. Otherwise, all .45ACP tested did better than all 9mm tested except the Speer. None beat the 230gr FMJ for penetration though. 31+" in 10% gel.

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