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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    I have purposefully shot a few magazines during a session only a couple times to remind myself of how loud it really is. Should I plan on doing it more often? Or is it not worth the damage to my ears, and I will be able to handle the noise if the time ever curses me?
    ...I'm sorry, could you repeat that a bit louder, maybe a lot louder?

    Good grief, man, are you serious? To quote my kid's texting: "OMG".

    I fired a .38 (S&W .357 seven shooter but had .38's in it) once without hearing protection out in a field. I did in once. That was enough for me to learn not to ever do that again, at least not just for shots-n-grins.

    Insofar as being able to handle it if you ever needed to shoot without "ears", well, Mr. Adrenaline will likely not let feel anything or hear much of anything painful during the exchange. Then again, those who have been there and done that could elaborate.
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    If you don't wear hearing protection while you practice you won't be bothered by the noise when you are attacked. That's because you will be deaf. I have a ringing in my ear from shooting 12 gauge 3 inch magnums while Goose hunting. That was 40 years ago and my ear still rings and shows high frequency hearing loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuts40 View Post
    ...I'm sorry, could you repeat that a bit louder, maybe a lot louder?
    Heheheheh!Good one!

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    never fire your guns without hearing protection ever. It isn't worth loosing your hearing for a supposed training technique. If you ever get into a gun fight, and I hope you don't, you will experience auditory exclusion, tunnel vision, loss of fine motor control, time will slow down, your mouth will get very drive, you will stop feeling hungry, until it is all over. Then after a short time. Your body will react violently for what you have just experienced. The effects of epinephrine and nor-epinephrine produced by the body in a fight or flight situation. Trust me on this, you won't hear your gunshots.

    I survived Mogadishu in Oct 93, I have the hearing damage to prove it, But i didn't hear a damn thing while it happened.

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    The only good thing about the ringing in my ears is that I can't hear my wife. The bad thing is that she gets really POd at me because she thinks I don't care. - Her voice has a pitch that is about half covered by the ringing.

    As noted above. DON'T DO IT. I will risk not hearing to save my life, not for practice. I already know what a gun sounds like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcselby1 View Post
    I would STRONGLY recommend that you ALWAYS wear hearing protection. Not only when on the range, but when using ANY noisy equipment, lawn mowers, chain saws, etc. And do not forget your eye protection. It really is one of those "Better safe than sorry" areas.
    I don't turn on a leaf blower w/out some type of ears on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    I want to learn more about auditory exclusion, especially from military . Do you guys wear hearing protection?
    Sure didn't, that's why I'm F---ing Deaf now. Don't do it.

    FWIW one of the most common complaints for returning vets is hearing loss
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    Its funny how everyone here posts something decent to say except for Tuts...I guess there's gotta be one a-hole in each thread...

    I am a firefighter and a paramedic. I have trained in live fire scenarios, had IV's started on me by people who have never done them before, and have done other harmful training. It hurts getting stuck 6 times, fishing for the vein each time, but I go back year after year to help new paramedics train because they save lives, and its worth training. That was just part of the process. Police get tazered and pepper sprayed during their academy (at least in Clackamas county they did). Fighters practice taking punches to toughen up. Muy Thai spend days kicking tree trunks to harden their shins. Tuts, have you every had to fire your firearm in a fight or flight exchange? Did you feel the auditory exclusion? I have heard of it, I wanted to know more about it. If its worth training for or not. I have fired less rounds then an average soldier would hear in 1 second during a gun fight.

    How about you stop acting like your child and answer the questions like everyone else in this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1911a1lvr:230490
    never fire your guns without hearing protection ever. It isn't worth loosing your hearing for a supposed training technique. If you ever get into a gun fight, and I hope you don't, you will experience auditory exclusion, tunnel vision, loss of fine motor control, time will slow down, your mouth will get very drive, you will stop feeling hungry, until it is all over. Then after a short time. Your body will react violently for what you have just experienced. The effects of epinephrine and nor-epinephrine produced by the body in a fight or flight situation. Trust me on this, you won't hear your gunshots.

    I survived Mogadishu in Oct 93, I have the hearing damage to prove it, But i didn't hear a damn thing while it happened.
    This is exactly what I was hoping to read. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    Its funny how everyone here posts something decent to say except for Tuts...I guess there's gotta be one a-hole in each thread...

    I am a firefighter and a paramedic. I have trained in live fire scenarios, had IV's started on me by people who have never done them before, and have done other harmful training. It hurts getting stuck 6 times, fishing for the vein each time, but I go back year after year to help new paramedics train because they save lives, and its worth training. That was just part of the process. Police get tazered and pepper sprayed during their academy (at least in Clackamas county they did). Fighters practice taking punches to toughen up. Muy Thai spend days kicking tree trunks to harden their shins. Tuts, have you every had to fire your firearm in a fight or flight exchange? Did you feel the auditory exclusion? I have heard of it, I wanted to know more about it. If its worth training for or not. I have fired less rounds then an average soldier would hear in 1 second during a gun fight.

    How about you stop acting like your child and answer the questions like everyone else in this thread?
    Chen, you know I fully appreciate your desire to learn and experience; as a matter of fact I even share it! However, all of the examples you give, with a few very rare exceptions, only cause temporary damage that repairs itself and has no real long-term side effect or damage. I have been tazed, maced, and toughened myself for martial arts training, but I had no damage beyond a few days or so. However, after studying a little about hearing, I had two sets of custom earplugs made to fit my ear canal that will cut a LOT of noise and they each came with a small pocket carrying case. Damage to the ear is so easy and so permanent, as well as having constant side-effects like Tinnitus, that I not only carry the ear plugs for shooting, but every day for loud situations like screaming children in a restaurant or a loud repair shop or factory. If I had the chance, I might try to get them in during a shooting! The ear is about the only part of our body that seems to be less forgiving to abuse and does not heal itself as well as most of the rest of us.

    When I was younger I shot firearms intermittently without hearing protection (we're all impervious then, ya'know?), then I had a 12-guage shotgun discharged near my face that left me with severe tinnitus for a week and about a year later a large blast went off before I was behind cover, leaving me with a minor concussion and a bleeding ear. I decided that was the end of my hearing stupidity! This is an interesting discussion because I had a hearing test yesterday and the doc told me my hearing was much better than he expected it to be for someone my age. I believe those ear plugs have really helped me save my hearing as I reach middle age, and should I ever have to defend myself and possibly deal with auditory exclusion I will, but when I was younger, I do remember my ears closing to the point that people behind and to the side of me became harder or even unable to be heard - THAT was what originally started to worry me!
    Edmund Burke: “The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.” – 1784 speech. Taken from Founding Fathers Notes. "The unarmed man is not just defenseless -- he is also contemptible." Machiavelli

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