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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare45 View Post
    This man can also lose his teaching permit from Texas.
    I will be very surprised if he does not lose his teaching permit. While I agree with him to a large part and think he has every right to refuse to teach anyone he does not want to he has also agreed to operate a business under the guidelines of the state. They can close his business down just like they can any other business that discriminates but they cannot force him to teach them. They can only recind his ability to approve the results of the class for certification.

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    Like Chris Rock once said about OJ - "I don't condone what he did, but I understand why he did it..."

    I understand his anger but two wrongs don't make a right. He's free to feel whatever way he wants but, IMO, his views and actions now disqualify him from complaining how Christians are discriminated against in Muslim countries. He has now joined the ranks of the discriminators.
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  4. He should teach them how to do everything wrong

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    Generally, I,m a "live and let live" kinda guy, however, the Constitution is not a suicide pact and therefore it seems reasonable to me to not arm or teach the use of arms to likely future enemies. I would cancel all visa's and disallow future visa's to muslims, and let them complain about their own countries and leave mine alone. And no acceptance of sharia or any other foreign law in American courts.
    Call it narrow minded if you like, but I'm an American nationalist, first, last, and in the middle. BTW, I married a foreign national, and she is an American citizen now.We both believe that legal residents should stay here and illegals should be deported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by che View Post
    He should teach them how to do everything wrong
    Excellent way for the instructor to get himself into all kinds of trouble, not to mention the legal mess. :(
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    Not so clear cut...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Hurtley View Post
    While it's his business, there are federal anti-discrimination laws that prohibit business discrimination based on race, religion, etc. He's free to discriminate based on political affiliation, but he CANNOT discriminate based on religion.
    It's not so clear cut as you might think. The best explanation I could find online was at LegalZoom.com:

    The Right to Refuse Service: Can a Business Refuse Service to Someone Because of Appearance, Odor, or Attire? | LegalZoom

    Let's say I were to deny firearms instruction to a 20-something Muslim man, based on that he fit the profile of a typical terrorist or hijacker, and perhaps was behaving in a way that made me nervous or fearful.

    If he were to take me to court, my attorney could argue that I was using my judgement as an instructor, deeming that the prospective student was unsuitable to carry a firearm, and that I didn't feel comfortable accepting him into my class. He could also argue that I was acting in the best interest of national security, etc. (I'm sure an attorney could word it better.)

    I believe there is some case law where flight schools denied service to young foreign-born Muslim men for that same purpose, subsequent to the events of 9/11/01.
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    Listening to this ad was kind of like watching someone run naked through the street, you laugh, you know not everyone will, and you know this individual was probably in trouble. When I took my ccw class my instructor grilled me to make sure that I was the type of person that he wanted to instruct. I would imagine that the great majority of self defense instructors, of all types, have a certain criteria for admission to their classes. I have no problem with a weapons instructor not wanting to take a risk on one of his students being a terrorist. If he was a hand to hand or flight instructor I would expect the same concerns. But, announcing his policy in this manner may be asking for problems.
    I would think it better that the government stay out of the issue and let those that like his remark take his class and those that don't to not take his class. Come to think of it, wasn't this the type of story that was good for one or two news cycles till the government stirred the pot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock Fan View Post
    Excellent way for the instructor to get himself into all kinds of trouble, not to mention the legal mess. :(
    No kidding, there my friend.

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    So far I have had the need to refund the tuition and refuse to instruct 5 students. There were various reasons why I chose not to instruct them, however I simply told them I was "uncomfortable" with them being near me with a loaded firearm. Never had any complaints, never referenced race, religion, looks, smell, etc. Simply stated "Sir/Ma'am, I'm going to refund your tuition as I'm not comfortable instructing you at this time."

    For my Utah CFP classes, I had reservations about 2 students who made some "disturbing" comments a few days after the class. I simply forwarded their information along with my concerns to Utah BCI.

    As a firearms instructor, it's not my job to run background checks on my students. I do however have the right to refuse service to anyone, as long as I don't refuse to do so because they are in a protected class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock Fan View Post
    So far I have had the need to refund the tuition and refuse to instruct 5 students. There were various reasons why I chose not to instruct them, however I simply told them I was "uncomfortable" with them being near me with a loaded firearm. Never had any complaints, never referenced race, religion, looks, smell, etc. Simply stated "Sir/Ma'am, I'm going to refund your tuition as I'm not comfortable instructing you at this time."

    For my Utah CFP classes, I had reservations about 2 students who made some "disturbing" comments a few days after the class. I simply forwarded their information along with my concerns to Utah BCI.

    As a firearms instructor, it's not my job to run background checks on my students. I do however have the right to refuse service to anyone, as long as I don't refuse to do so because they are in a protected class.
    The best reply so far. My question is, just the fact that not every Muslim is a bad Muslim who want to kill us, how do you know you are refusing someone who is really hell bent on protecting himself and his family? If you had listened to one of Glenn Beck's story about this Muslim guy who was pulped by some radical Muslims for siding with the Americans, the Star of David carved on his back, if this guy has a gun (and helped to be allowed to do so) he would have been able to protect himself and his family.
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