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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grognard Gunny View Post
    I'm sure that is VERY helpful in home invasion scenarios. (NOT!)

    GG
    If convicted of a storage violation it's a felony and case laws shows that this is one law that prosecutors doggedly pursue. There was one guy who had a heart attack and took off his carry gun and placed it on the table after he hung up with the 911 dispatcher. Of course the boys in blue roll with the ambulance so he was charged and he plead out. There was another guy who had a handgun locked in a factory plastic case. He had the case inside of a cooler and the cops showed up at his house for some reason. They found it and he was convicted in a bench trial because the prosecutor told the judge the gun was not in a secure location. He appealed and it was overturned because the law specifies “in a locked container or affixed with a tamper resistant mechanical lock” but says nothing about secure location. Of course this cost him thousands in legal bills all due to over zealous LEOs and prosecutors. I use this:

    Gun Vault MVB-500 Micro vault biometric--Quick Access Gunsafe : Fingerprint Safes



    I had someone pounding on my door late at night recently. It turned out they just had the wrong house (so they said anyway) and nothing happened but I had my gun out in about two seconds in the dark after being woken up from a deep sleep.

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  3. #12
    I got a good deal on a Liberty Fat Boy safe with the mechanical lock. I paid additional to have it changed out for a e-lock. My small Liberty safe has the dial and hard to see with my aging eyes. Make just one small error, and start all over again. With the e-lock, I'm in my safe in five (5), count them, FIVE seconds. The only regret I will ever have is if an EMP attack ever happens.

  4. #13
    I have the new electronic/mechanical lock from Liberty. Keypad then manually turn dial ring instead of a solenoid. So fare so good.

    -Matt

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    Awesome. Thanks for the input!

  6. I have had the Electronic on my Fort Knox, and it has never failed. The Electronic have been working well for years it's really the industry standard today.

  7. I had a pistol stolen from my truck a few months ago. It ripped my guts to think that a bad guy had my pistol. I eventually got it back from LEO's. Because of this I purchased a small safe that I bolted in my truck. It is not sledge hammer proof but it is definitely plier and screwdriver proof. It has an electronic lock on it and it is a good thing it does because I can reach from the front seat to the back and pull one of two pistols in a matter of seconds (yes, I have practiced it to be sure). I like the safe so much that I bought one that I bolted to the floor right next to my bed with the same electronic mechanism. Again, I can get to the larger version of the pistol I carry everyday within seconds, with no lights on in the room. It is all programmed muscle memory now. Long story short, electronic is the way to go. I just change the batteries in both safes when I change the batteries in my smoke detectors in the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtg452 View Post
    Dial.

    Mechanical locks are my preference. No batteries to change out, no reliance on a power supply.
    They are emp proof, and have been proven reliable by 100's of years of use, but I can easily find "my digital safe lock will not work" stories....
    "The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century
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  9. #18
    As far as most electronic locks having a key override in them as was said in an earlier post, that is just not so.

    The key lock in the center of the dial is called a daylock. The combo can be dialed and then dialed to just off open and then the dial is locked. You use the key to unlock the dial and then you can just turn the dial to the opening index and you don't have to go thru all the trouble of dialing the whole combo every time you want to open the safe. That is for something like a gunshop or range where the safe is opened 30 times a day.

    At night you can completely lock the dial lock and then either lock the dial so it can't even be turned, or not, your choice. Any safe that has an either or, key or dial is usually a real inexpensive off shore type of safe.

    Either lock is a good choice as long as you are not talking about an EMP attack and then there is a whole lot more to worry about anyway.

    The key to having a good lock is having a good quality lock.

    I took an S&G off my Cannon and put an S&G push button lock. Mine has been on there for almost 20 years with no problems. The lock beeps when the batteries get low. The batteries are kept behind the keypad for ease of replacement.

    Some say that if the safe is burglarized and the dial is pulled off, wires an all, it is a nightmare.

    Try opening a safe where the manual dial is punched in and the automatic re-lockers are set. Just as bad if not worse.

    Re-lockers are a function in a safe to keep someone from just punching the lock spindle inside the safe so the boltworks become free to operate. There are many ways these operate but for illustration purposes the easiest and two of the most used are either a plate or a wire attached to the back of the lock body that when disturbed, will release a spring loaded bolt right into the boltworks restricting their movement. Just about like the bolt that goes in and out of the main safe lock.

    The government has some pretty strict and 'must be' reliable and secure standards. There are several locks that are suitable such as Mosler, S&G and Mas Hamilton.

    So I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are reasons that anyione can come up with as to not like either one style or the other, but the fact is, both are safe, both can be reliable and it comes right down to what methods do you want to get into your safe with.

    The only absolute is that an EMP will probably mess up the electronic but I'm not absolutely sure if some of the new Mas Hamilton locks may be impervious to even that.

    Just make sure whatever lock you choose is a high quility lock that has a proven track record.

    KK

  10. #19
    I have both types and prefer the electronic model. My wife can open it in a heartbeat. I do like the solid feel of the dial though.

    Just a side note... My teenage son moved out of the house. Came back and was in the room and went to open the safe. He didn't mention what he was looking for. Oddly enough, it wouldn't open. He asked, "Hey Dad, the lock is messed up. Why can't I get in it?" I replied, "You moved out. You don't need to be in there. The code is changed." Now, he didn't like it, but it was easy to change.
    YMMV.

    Psalm 82:3-5

  11. #20
    Nothing but dial locks for me. No batteries to fail, but i often take guns out or put guns in the safe during the day when my hands are not the cleanest. Having 3 or 4 dirty buttons when the rest are spotless makes the combo alot easier to guess. At least once a month someone will unlock my truck just to show me they can by randomly pressing the dirty buttons

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