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    ^^^^ I was waiting to see how long it would take for that one lol

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by alextpearson View Post
    So the question I'm posing to everyone is should there be a required safety class prior to being able to be eligible for a permit to carry.

    I personally feel you should be required to take a 20 hour basic training class and have a minimum of 5 hours of documented handling of the gun (range training) prior to being able to carry. To many gun relate incidents are attributed to the lack of safety knowledge.
    So, we must have statistics and history to prove that there is a greater danger to the public in states that have no training, or even permit requirements for the public to carry guns? The accidental shooting deaths associated with handguns carried for self defense must be noticeably higher in those states, then, right? We must surely be able to point to the blood running in the streets due to lack of training, right?

    In reality, these types of problems just don't manifest themselves in states like Vermont, Alaska, Arizona, Washington, Wyoming, Montana, Indiana and the plethora of other states that have either no permit required or training required to carry a gun in public.

    Requiring training to carry a gun for self defense accomplishes a number of things: it gives some people a warm and fuzzy feeling inside knowing that their government is making them feel safer, it infringes upon those people who really can't afford the training and permit fees, it raises income for the government requiring the fee to be paid and the income of the ccw instructors who have a government created market for their services. Yet history and statistics show that required training for ccw permits makes no difference in safety in reality.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  4. #13
    Training should not be a restriction put in place by the government. But it is highly irresponsible to carry a gun without having been trained. Most of my training as a youth came from the adults and peers that I hunted with. I have also been through Hunter safety and my concealed class but they did not teach anything near what I learned informally as a youth.

    And G50AE, maybe it was a M1 Garand cut down to a pistol, that also uses a clip.

  5. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Warbirds View Post
    And G50AE, maybe it was a M1 Garand cut down to a pistol, that also uses a clip.
    Unlikely, because such a weapon would fall under NFA rules.

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    How many times had I made a mistake in handling a gun prior to taking classes? Be a little bit gentler with your friend. He is, as you said, inexperienced and hadn't had any training at all. Your job is to inform him, to teach him, to guide him, even if this will be the first time for you to do so. Give him some tips without being brash...did I say be gentle with him? Not everyone is as knowledgeable as you (and now me...) You wouldn't believe how stupid was stupid me for a long long time before I agree to touch a gun -- and it has to be my way, not theirs. Call me stupid still, but I hate it when someone touches my guns.
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  7. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE:244922
    Quote Originally Posted by Warbirds View Post
    And G50AE, maybe it was a M1 Garand cut down to a pistol, that also uses a clip.
    Unlikely, because such a weapon would fall under NFA rules.
    If the receiver had never been assembled as a rifle, but was instead built strictly as a pistol it would not violate federal law. Highly unlikely but possible.

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    Wink

    Regardless of how you gave the person the firearm, it should have been returned to you with the slide locked back (In regards to a wheel gun, the cylinder open). Upon receiving the firearm, check it out whether it is in a safe condition even if the weapon never left your sight. A little time with someone who does not customarily handle firearms would be some friendly training, offering to train him/her further, if they desired, without insulting their intellegence.
    Let's hear it for Gun Free Zones... Public places where the criminal has a monopoly
    on self defense. - Gary Nelson 2012

  9. Quote Originally Posted by alextpearson View Post
    Prior to giving him the weapon I had unloaded the magazine racked the gun several times and put the slide in locked back position prior to handing him each gun.
    I'm trying to figure out this "racked the gun several times" thing. I don't know, maybe both the Army and the Navy taught me wrong, but they both teach the proper way to clear a gun is to remove the magazine from the gun, lock open the slide/bolt watching for a round to be ejected, lock the slide/bolt open, visually verify there is no magazine in the magazine well and no round in the chamber. Works exactly the same for pistols and rifles. I don't get the "racked the gun several times"....
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  10. #19
    If we require training to exercise one basic right, where is the limit to requiring training for other basic rights? Should we require 20 hours of 1st amendment training about how to safely use words and protest before allowing people to speak or gather together?
    Training isnt going to fix stupid, but at least natural selection has a way of doing that.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Deserteagle View Post
    Training isnt going to fix stupid, but at least natural selection has a way of doing that.
    Unfortunately, the government has regulated away most natural selection, and stupid is multiplying at an alarming rate because of it!
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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