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View Poll Results: How do you carry?

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  • Round Chambered, Safety On

    33 43.42%
  • No Round Chambered, Safety On

    2 2.63%
  • Round Chambered, Safety Off

    32 42.11%
  • No Round Chambered, Safety Off

    6 7.89%
  • Other

    9 11.84%
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Thread: What are your carry variables?

  1. I carry a revolver for now, and it is DAO. One of the reasons I chose a revolver for carry at first, was so I didnt have to 'worry' about a chambered round/safety on situation. After carrying and becoming much more familar with auto's, I am considering swapping my carry gun. If I do, it will be chambered, safety off.
    S&W340PD .357 mag
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    SA XD45

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  3. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Hat View Post
    I think legally using a weapon as a deterrent would be against the law. A CCW holder is not part of law enforcement. By definition all state laws on use of force state you can only use your weapon if your life is in danger or think it's in danger. I was told if you pull your weapon you had better prepared to fire it.
    I think that depends. Since most states only allow deadly force to be used in defense of one's life, and not in the defense of property, if I wanted to stop someone who's about to mug me, and I brandish my weapon, and that stops him, it would not be against the law, because in this case, the criminal did not commit the crime and I did not use deadly force in defense of property. While deadly force in defense of property is illegal, non lethal force in defense of it isn't. Got it?

    BTW, I always carry with a round in the chamber and safety on, which can be disengaged with a simple sweep of the thumb. When I first began carrying back August of 2004, I used to carry Mexican style with an empty chamber and the safety on (Good thing I never had to use it!) Then, when I became familiar with gun forums such as this, packing.org, and opencarry.org, I learned what a buffoon I had been. Since then I have alternated between IWB, SmartCarry, and OWB, but always with a round in the chamber. Also, lots of practice, practice, and practice.
    Last edited by tattedupboy; 10-01-2007 at 04:39 PM.

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    I always assume there is a round in the chamber until I have properly cleared my weapon.

    Therefore Round Chambered/Safety On
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Hat View Post
    By definition all state laws on use of force state you can only use your weapon if your life is in danger or think it's in danger.
    This is not true... If deadly force were used in defense in the case of trespassing onto ones property for the purpose or act of committing a crime, in most sates the use of deadly force would be wholly justified (provided you do not chase an offender off of your property and then shoot or shoot the offender in the back).

    Just had a case here in Portland Oregon, less than a half mile from my home where a man was awoken in the middle of the night by an intruder on his premises... the old bugger shot the intruder DEAD! No charges were filed against the the shooter for protecting his property and life. I believe this incident was published in either this month or last months NRA Rifleman Magazines- "The Armed Citizen".
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  6. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by tattedupboy View Post
    I think that depends. Since most states only allow deadly force to be used in defense of one's life, and not in the defense of property, if I wanted to stop someone who's about to mug me, and I brandish my weapon, and that stops him, it would not be against the law, because in this case, the criminal did not commit the crime and I did not use deadly force in defense of property. While deadly force in defense of property is illegal, non lethal force in defense of it isn't. Got it?
    This claim is FALSE. Defense against a mugging isn't about retaining your property, it's about retaining your LIFE. Muggers routinely kill people who don't have enough money to satisfy them, or who don't want to give up their property (which actually is your right, since there is no law that requires you to comply with a mugger!).

    The law requires you to be in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury. A mugging satisfies these requirements because it is reasonable to believe that the mugger will use deadly force if you do not comply. That's why mugging is a FORCIBLE felony. They don't have to verbalize any threat to harm you, the threat is implicit in their actions.

    I don't want to flame you man, but please don't tell people they can't defend themselves against muggers. It's false and it's dangerous.
    Last edited by ishi; 10-01-2007 at 06:24 PM. Reason: emphasis added

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishi View Post
    This claim is FALSE. Defense against a mugging isn't about retaining your property, it's about retaining your LIFE. Muggers routinely kill people who don't have enough money to satisfy them, or who don't want to give up their property (which actually is your right, since there is no law that requires you to comply with a mugger!).

    The law requires you to be in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury. A mugging satisfies these requirements because it is reasonable to believe that the mugger will use deadly force if you do not comply. That's why mugging is a FORCIBLE felony. They don't have to verbalize any threat to harm you, the threat is implicit in their actions.

    I don't want to flame you man, but please don't tell people they can't defend themselves against muggers. It's false and it's dangerous.
    Obviously, it's debatable whether shooting a mugger is the result of defending property or life so I'll use another example. If I'm a clerk in a convenience and I see a shoplifter and shoot him after he has stolen some merchandise, without him ever having threatened me directly, I would not be justified. If, however, I brandished my weapon in order to prevent him from doing it, or threatened to shoot him, then that would be justified, because deadly force would not have been employed (Yes, it might seem extreme to threaten to shoot a petty thief, but the burden of proof would be on him to prove that I made the threat; furthermore, my property would still be intact).

  8. #27
    I voted round chambered with safety on.
    I carry a GLOCK so that is with round in chamber and
    finger OFF trigger that and what is between my ears
    is my safety on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tattedupboy View Post
    Obviously, it's debatable whether shooting a mugger is the result of defending property or life so I'll use another example. If I'm a clerk in a convenience and I see a shoplifter and shoot him after he has stolen some merchandise, without him ever having threatened me directly, I would not be justified. If, however, I brandished my weapon in order to prevent him from doing it, or threatened to shoot him, then that would be justified, because deadly force would not have been employed (Yes, it might seem extreme to threaten to shoot a petty thief, but the burden of proof would be on him to prove that I made the threat; furthermore, my property would still be intact).
    Tat, just want to first clarify that, we are not busting your chops but bro the shoplifter example is worse than the first. These days in retail, shoplifters often times are more violent and likely to have armories in their pockets more than you may know. More retailing employees are injured every year by shoplifters than by in your face armed robberies. So much so that, most of America's largest retailers have adopted a policy prohibiting employees (other than Loss Prevention officers) from stopping shoplifters, for the safety of their employees and customers.

    I have a friend that works for Lowe's in Texas and he has personally had a gun jammed in his face by a shoplifter he tried to stop from stealing merchandise worth less than $30.00. Shoplifters in the act of a their crime have often made the commitent that they are going to steal and that means that they also realize they may be caught. So the armed shoplifter also understands that if they get caught, they will increase their chances of getting away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander_Cob View Post
    I carry with no round chambered and safety off. I worry about the consequences of response time and failing to properly rack the slide, but I feel safer.
    You might as well carry a big stick or rock!, if you aren't able to handle a loaded weapon with out scaring your self you better learn how to dial 911 and leave it up to the police to save you...........
    You can run, But you only get caught tired

  11. Conditions

    I've got to say, it's become outright offensive the number of people implying, or stating, that someone who doesn't carry with a round in the chamber is "afraid" of their gun. It's a matter of personal choice and the circumstance under which one feels the need to carry. It has nothing to do with training, practice, comfort with the weapon or the ability to use it if necessary.
    The fact that some people have a different opinion than you about what is necessary doesn't mean you have to be an a$$hole about it. And what condition it is appropriate to carry in is a matter of circumstance and opinion.

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