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    Quote Originally Posted by FN1910 View Post
    HK4U - You are very correct in saying a number of factors. My wife has been an elementary school teacher for 34 years and I have seen the changes you are referring to. My mother was a teacher and my daughter is a teacher. I would like to make some comments. I personally know hundreds of teachers and administrators and most of the the comments about them and their ideas and failures is from those who have no idea of what the average teacher has to put up with.

    The zero tolerance is not the idea of the teachers, administrators or school boards but from judges that are trying to protect the constitutional rights of people just like you and me. People are all over these board proclaiming their 2A and 1A rights and that is exactly what the judges have done to force the schools into today's standards. People are ready to sue a teacher at the drop of a hat or piece of chalk and I mean literally. I know one teacher that was sued because she tapped a student on the top of the head to try and wake her up. A 9 year old brought a gun to school last week. The student has all kinds of mental problems and should be in special services but before he can be placed into the special services program my wife had to get three different experts to agree that he needed it along with permission from the parents. When she met with the parent (only one) the parent was accompanied by her lawyer and a victims advocate. They refused to allow this student to be placed into any kind of special program because it might stigmatize him.

    As for corporal punishment she had one student earlier this year that she sent a note home with him about his behavior. When the child came to school the next day he could not sit down. My wife took him to the nurse who took one look and immediately called DSS for child abuse. It was that bad.

    Rant off.

    I know what you are saying is true. There are many good teachers out there. If I remember correctly one of our regular posters on this site, DrDavidM's wife is a teacher. The unfortunate thing is the control The NEA has over the teachers. As far as punishment goes I had my back side warmed more than a couple of times in grade school and Jr. High with a paddle it it did not scar me for life. I am sure I need every one and a few that I didn't get. We are living in a time when common sense is out the window and the concept of right and wrong has been blurred until many can not tell the difference. I think the Bible has something to day about these times.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

  3. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    We are living in a time when common sense is out the window and the concept of right and wrong has been blurred until many can not tell the difference. I think the Bible has something to day about these times.
    HK4U, this is so true and may I also throw in "political correctness" as the norm for today. Just my 2 cents.
    New York State Consolidated Laws, Civil Rights, Article 2-Bill of Rights, Section 4

    S 4. Right to keep and bear arms. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed.

  4. FN and HK you both make very good points I teach at a High School and things change all the time. I work with Adults (Vo Tech school) and if you would see what comes though the doors at the adult level, It is no wonder why the kids are the way they are. The worst thing for the kids in some cases is the parents.
    Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant'
    is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist '.

  5. #14
    Okay, in case I've never posted my opinion on parenting before, it's not the teacher's job to raise my kids--that's my job. If a parent honestly thinks that a day care, school, etc should be doing the majority of the child rearing, there is something wrong. It goes back to the entitlement thinking again--I want my kids to be honest hard working adults, but I want the schools/etc to teach them right from wrong, respect for others and for property, etc. The home is where children need to be learning responsibility, honesty, compassion, in short how to be an adult. The limits placed on teachers under the guise of political correctness, tolerance, or some other pretense prevent even good teachers from doing their best job teaching our kids anything moral. The way society is now, as HK stated, you cannot let that society raise your child and expect good results. Big efforts need to be made at home to compensate for what your children will learn from society.

    I am also willing to give people the benefit of the doubt, even good parents can have kids that make dumb choices. One difference is the good parents will let their kid suffer consequences relating to his behavior and not rescue him from those mean authorities, thereby hopefully teaching the child that choices result in consequences--good choice, good consequence, bad choice, as bad a consequence as can be given. Usually those children that are taught consequences don't end up being law breakers like this kid. Hopefully he does not get spared the consequences for his actions.

  6. Thumbs up

    My hats off to you MOM you hit that nail right on the head
    Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant'
    is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist '.

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    I take issue with the day care folks who push their personal beliefs on my son. He's only 4 years old and has to listen to one of the day care center employees who thinks that Obama is the best man for President. This is messed up being that the day care center is on a military installation.

    I don't mind if they expose my son to diversity, but to tell him that one candidate is the "best", that's bulls**t!

    "A few well placed shots with a .22LR is a lot better than a bunch of solid misses with a .44 mag!" Glock Armorer, NRA Chief RSO, Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, Muzzleloading Rifle, Muzzleloading Shotgun, and Home Firearm Safety Training Counselor

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