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    Herr Meister...Your Papers are not in order! step ziz vay please.

    How much more before people riot in the streets?:angry2:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teufel View Post
    Those idiots just can't get it right can they!

    Who in the hell supports this type of ****???
    I for one am disgusted with what they are doing to our country.
    You can have my freedom as soon as I'm done with it!!!

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    It's a little misleading to have addressed this thread as "Police to seal off city," that's a blatant exaggeration. What they're actually doing is tightening the screws, so to speak, in Trinidad, a neighborhood IN D.C.

    And have you ever been to the Trinidad area of D.C.? Probably not. Do you know why you've never been to that part of town? Because any individual that's not retarded would immediately recognize it as one of the most dangerous places in the country and either avoid it like the plague, or flee if they wandered into it accidentally. It's like Compton. In fact, statistically, it's worse.

    These are not checkpoints in neighborhoods where people work hard, exercise good values, and take pride in their community. Trinidad is one of the filthiest, most drug infested communities in the nation. It's not Bethesda, it's not Fairfax, it's the ghetto. You will never go there, you will never be asked to show ID, you will never feel unwelcome, you will never feel like you're being watched. Do you know who will? The crew of homies that piles into cars and drives to the suburbs to break into your neighbor's car on Saturday night. The junkie who barges into the QuickieMart one night while you're inside paying for gas and shoots the place up so he can steal $8 from the register. The degenerate that tries to sell your kid crack while he plays on the playground at school. The gutter punk that breaks into your house while you sleep. The ******* that buys and sells guns ILLEGALLY and makes it impossible for law abiding citizens to change policy and legalize the possession of firearms in Our Nations Capital. If you're worried about hurting those people's feelings, then by all means, ***** away. Me? I kind of wish they'd just put barbed wire around the neighborhood and firebomb it.

    D.C. has implemented this type of strategy before, and it worked. Checkpoints are nothing new to Washington, don't think this is the first time they've had to do this. The last one was 10 years ago but no one feels like applying their memory long enough to recall it. Are these checkpoints a long term solution? No, absolutely not. Are they a temporary fix? Absolutely. Would I prefer that law abiding citizens be allowed to have guns in Washington and be able to defend themselves? Without a doubt. But, quite frankly, no one is getting a gun in D.C. until they can get a reasonable hand on the crime problem, and that's the fact of the matter.

    New York City was forced to take the same measures in 1992, during which time The Bronx was plagued with violence and drugs. In 1996 a Federal court of appeals defended the legality of such measures by saying they, "served an important public concern" and were "reasonably viewed as an effective mechanism to deter crime in the barricaded area." So it's not like people haven't questioned the legality of issue before.

    After hurricane Katrina, New Orleans had checkpoints and a military like police presence in areas where crime had become nearly unmanageable. It had nothing to do with the hurricane itself, it was a direct response to the crime and violence that occurred after it.

    In the past, checkpoints have proven to be a reasonable way to control crime in areas of cities that resemble a war zone. Trinidad is one of them.

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a comparison that I know is going to encourage some moron to tell me I'm comparing two completely different things, but here it is: DUI checkpoints. DUI checkpoints are used to control a problem; drunk driving. Have they proven to be effective? Definitely. Do they stage them in areas where there is a known drunk driving problem? Yes. Are they intimidating and sometimes a little scary? Yes. Do they drag you out of your car, shake you down on the side of the road, make your girlfriend cry, and threaten to set your house on fire? Ummm...no. They stop you, ask you where you're heading, hand you some anti-drunk driving propaganda and send you on your way. Pretty straight forward, huh? Last time I checked, the only people who were angry or terrified over DUI checkpoints were the people who had been busted at one.

    Believe me, no one in the area of town in question is complaining about this latest effort to control crime. People are living in fear. Should something have been done sooner? Yes. Unfortunately, drastic measures are required during drastic times, so a checkpoint it is.

    Additionally, this story first broke in The Examiner. For those of you that don't know, The Examiner is a liberal rag. It's almost entirely democrat propaganda. I've read that story, I've read the stories comparing D.C. to Soviet Russia, and they all paint a relatively unfair picture of the objectives and intentions of this effort. The media is asking for comments from the ACLU for God's sake. Give me a break.

    For those of you that are comparing this to The Third Reich, well, that's just ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherCC View Post
    It's a little misleading to have addressed this thread as "Police to seal off city," that's a blatant exaggeration. What they're actually doing is tightening the screws, so to speak, in Trinidad, a neighborhood IN D.C.

    And have you ever been to the Trinidad area of D.C.? Probably not. Do you know why you've never been to that part of town? Because any individual that's not retarded would immediately recognize it as one of the most dangerous places in the country and either avoid it like the plague, or flee if they wandered into it accidentally. It's like Compton. In fact, statistically, it's worse.

    These are not checkpoints in neighborhoods where people work hard, exercise good values, and take pride in their community. Trinidad is one of the filthiest, most drug infested communities in the nation. It's not Bethesda, it's not Fairfax, it's the ghetto. You will never go there, you will never be asked to show ID, you will never feel unwelcome, you will never feel like you're being watched. Do you know who will? The crew of homies that piles into cars and drives to the suburbs to break into your neighbor's car on Saturday night. The junkie who barges into the QuickieMart one night while you're inside paying for gas and shoots the place up so he can steal $8 from the register. The degenerate that tries to sell your kid crack while he plays on the playground at school. The gutter punk that breaks into your house while you sleep. The ******* that buys and sells guns ILLEGALLY and makes it impossible for law abiding citizens to change policy and legalize the possession of firearms in Our Nations Capital. If you're worried about hurting those people's feelings, then by all means, ***** away. Me? I kind of wish they'd just put barbed wire around the neighborhood and firebomb it.

    D.C. has implemented this type of strategy before, and it worked. Checkpoints are nothing new to Washington, don't think this is the first time they've had to do this. The last one was 10 years ago but no one feels like applying their memory long enough to recall it. Are these checkpoints a long term solution? No, absolutely not. Are they a temporary fix? Absolutely. Would I prefer that law abiding citizens be allowed to have guns in Washington and be able to defend themselves? Without a doubt. But, quite frankly, no one is getting a gun in D.C. until they can get a reasonable hand on the crime problem, and that's the fact of the matter.

    New York City was forced to take the same measures in 1992, during which time The Bronx was plagued with violence and drugs. In 1996 a Federal court of appeals defended the legality of such measures by saying they, "served an important public concern" and were "reasonably viewed as an effective mechanism to deter crime in the barricaded area." So it's not like people haven't questioned the legality of issue before.

    After hurricane Katrina, New Orleans had checkpoints and a military like police presence in areas where crime had become nearly unmanageable. It had nothing to do with the hurricane itself, it was a direct response to the crime and violence that occurred after it.

    In the past, checkpoints have proven to be a reasonable way to control crime in areas of cities that resemble a war zone. Trinidad is one of them.

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a comparison that I know is going to encourage some moron to tell me I'm comparing two completely different things, but here it is: DUI checkpoints. DUI checkpoints are used to control a problem; drunk driving. Have they proven to be effective? Definitely. Do they stage them in areas where there is a known drunk driving problem? Yes. Are they intimidating and sometimes a little scary? Yes. Do they drag you out of your car, shake you down on the side of the road, make your girlfriend cry, and threaten to set your house on fire? Ummm...no. They stop you, ask you where you're heading, hand you some anti-drunk driving propaganda and send you on your way. Pretty straight forward, huh? Last time I checked, the only people who were angry or terrified over DUI checkpoints were the people who had been busted at one.

    Believe me, no one in the area of town in question is complaining about this latest effort to control crime. People are living in fear. Should something have been done sooner? Yes. Unfortunately, drastic measures are required during drastic times, so a checkpoint it is.

    Additionally, this story first broke in The Examiner. For those of you that don't know, The Examiner is a liberal rag. It's almost entirely democrat propaganda. I've read that story, I've read the stories comparing D.C. to Soviet Russia, and they all paint a relatively unfair picture of the objectives and intentions of this effort. The media is asking for comments from the ACLU for God's sake. Give me a break.

    For those of you that are comparing this to The Third Reich, well, that's just ridiculous.

    I for one think that it is shameful that our nations capital city is a cesspool. If the citizens were allowed to carry...This situation would fix itself much like Detroit did. It ain't perfect but statistically it is much better now that thugs know hey have a chance of becoming a smoking hole during a confrontation.

    As far as the German thing...It was a reference to the East Germany of days gone by. You could not move from neighborhood to neighborhood in East Berlin without hitting about 3 checkpoints.

    I say we take back the streets one neighborhood at a time until it is safe to let kids play outside again.:angry2:
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    And my Third Reich comment was in reference to a previous post that this "sounds a lot like Hitler."
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  7. #26
    I again say when you make it unlawful for law abiding citizens to have the means to defend themselves you end up with only the criminal element with the guns. They then have free reign to do as they please. What is the buracrats answer to the problem? Is it to see the light and let the citizens have the means to defend themselves? Why of course not. Let's make it a police state. We will call this a trial run. See how much loss of freedoms the people will stand for. Next time we will take a little more. Like the frog in water we are slowing being boiled.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherCC View Post

    Believe me, no one in the area of town in question is complaining about this latest effort to control crime. People are living in fear. Should something have been done sooner? Yes. Unfortunately, drastic measures are required during drastic times, so a checkpoint it is.
    .
    Thats pure BS.

    You can just search Youtube, many videos of residents against it

    Your whole post seem to suggest you support this type of fascist , Hitler, SS type police tactics
    and thats a damn shame
    How long before they use the same argument to take your city in Tennessee ?
    You live comfy in your neck or the woods simply because they haven't expanded this tactics to your area YET

    By the way
    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherCC View Post
    And have you ever been to the Trinidad area of D.C.? Probably not.
    I lived in DC for 7 years, so don't assume
    How many years did you spend there ?

  9. #28
    I spent 22 there, I moved to Tennessee in August of last year, so thanks for asking. And yes, I completely support this decision. When will they do this in my city? Never, probably. You see, it's not a **** hole, that's kind of why I moved. There aren't 15 to 20 murders a month in my city, probably not in the entire state for that matter. And you think what, this is the first step in a New World Order? You think they're going to be marching down the streets in a few months? I mean Jesus Christ, man. You just can't accept the possibility that the decision to put up check points was out of necessity? Fine. So what's the plan then, today D.C., tomorrow the world? Ok, great. Assume they put up check points in my city. Assume for a moment that they, whoever they is, have "expanded their tactics." You know what? I could care less. You know why? Because I don't live in the hood, and I'm not a crack pusher or a gun smuggler. And, if for some God forsaken reason, my presence IS required in that part of town, and if the police need to ask for my ID at a checkpoint to ensure I'm in the neighborhood for a legitimate reason, have at it. That 30 seconds won't ruin my day. And yes, I'm sure you're right. I'm sure there's some bumbling idiot out there bitching about how horrible everything is is and how they've been violated and whatnot. There ALWAYS is. ALWAYS. But you know what? They're the same people that will be saying, "Gee, it's super nice to be able to walk to the market in the afternoon and not worry about my 9 year old being gunned down."
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherCC View Post
    I spent 22 there, I moved to Tennessee in August of last year, so thanks for asking. And yes, I completely support this decision. When will they do this in my city? Never, probably. You see, it's not a **** hole, that's kind of why I moved. There aren't 15 to 20 murders a month in my city, probably not in the entire state for that matter. And you think what, this is the first step in a New World Order? You think they're going to be marching down the streets in a few months? I mean Jesus Christ, man. You just can't accept the possibility that the decision to put up check points was out of necessity? Fine. So what's the plan then, today D.C., tomorrow the world? Ok, great. Assume they put up check points in my city. Assume for a moment that they, whoever they is, have "expanded their tactics." You know what? I could care less. You know why? Because I don't live in the hood, and I'm not a crack pusher or a gun smuggler. And, if for some God forsaken reason, my presence IS required in that part of town, and if the police need to ask for my ID at a checkpoint to ensure I'm in the neighborhood for a legitimate reason, have at it. That 30 seconds won't ruin my day. And yes, I'm sure you're right. I'm sure there's some bumbling idiot out there bitching about how horrible everything is is and how they've been violated and whatnot. There ALWAYS is. ALWAYS. But you know what? They're the same people that will be saying, "Gee, it's super nice to be able to walk to the market in the afternoon and not worry about my 9 year old being gunned down."

    i think most of us here have not bought in to the idea that BIG Brother is the ansewer to all our problems but rather understand that it is the cause of most of them. Letme ask you this. If you are willing to give up a few rights for a little security where are you willing to draw the line? Or are you willing to abanden all your rights?

    When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;
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    When they locked up the social democrats,
    I remained silent;
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    When they came for the trade unionists,
    I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.


    When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;
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    When they came for me,
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  11. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by FN1910 View Post
    Just to light a fire what is the difference between this and a "Gated Community" which no one seems to have a problem with.
    Gated: Security paid for by the home owners in that community

    This: Paid for by every tax payer in DC, and in part by everyone who pays federal tax as the police receive a federal or state subsidy.

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