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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherCC View Post
    These are not checkpoints in neighborhoods where people work hard, exercise good values, and take pride in their community. Trinidad is one of the filthiest, most drug infested communities in the nation. It's not Bethesda, it's not Fairfax, it's the ghetto. You will never go there, you will never be asked to show ID, you will never feel unwelcome, you will never feel like you're being watched. Do you know who will? The crew of homies that piles into cars and drives to the suburbs to break into your neighbor's car on Saturday night. The junkie who barges into the QuickieMart one night while you're inside paying for gas and shoots the place up so he can steal $8 from the register. The degenerate that tries to sell your kid crack while he plays on the playground at school. The gutter punk that breaks into your house while you sleep. The ******* that buys and sells guns ILLEGALLY and makes it impossible for law abiding citizens to change policy and legalize the possession of firearms in Our Nations Capital.
    I guess I'm misunderstanding how these "Neighborhood Safety Zones' work? :hmhm:I thought they are to be set up to check the ID's of the people ENTERING the neighborhood, not exiting? How are these checkpoints going to make the non-ghetto area's of D.C. safer? If you really think about it and I do not endorse it, they should set up checkpoints around non-ghetto areas to make sure that no criminal types get into these neighborhoods.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    i think most of us here have not bought in to the idea that BIG Brother is the ansewer to all our problems but rather understand that it is the cause of most of them. Letme ask you this. If you are willing to give up a few rights for a little security where are you willing to draw the line? Or are you willing to abanden all your rights?

    When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;
    I was not a communist.

    When they locked up the social democrats,
    I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.


    When they came for the trade unionists,
    I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.


    When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;
    I wasn't a Jew.


    When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out.


    Stand for something or fall for everything.
    Dude, what is that supposed to mean. No one is coming for anyone. They're attempting to deter criminal activity, and hopefully, restore some order to a neighborhood that is slowly killing itself. Those comparisons to genocide, to political imprisonment, and religious persecution, are way out of line. That's just silly. So, are you concerned you may be next? Well then don't sell drugs or murder people. Don't turn your neighborhood in to a slum.

    And they're not demanding that people give up any rights by submitting to a stop at a security checkpoint. That's why the fed's ruled this method of crime prevention acceptable in the 90's, it's not asking anyone to forfeit any inherent rights. They're not kicking in doors, they're asking for ID, and intention. That's not against the law, nor is it unreasonable.

    Every time you fly you go through a metal detector and have your bag x-rayed, right? Why? To protect innocent people from getting hurt. It's that simple. The FAA determined that a security check point in an airport is the single most effective way to ensure innocent people aren't hurt or killed by people with bad intentions.

    A security checkpoint in Trinidad is, at the moment, the single most effective way to ensure order can be restored and innocent people can be safe and protected from bad people.
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    the solution is

    to let them kill each other off. walthercc, how old are you? every tyranny begins somewhere. those who give up libety and freedom for security deserve none. first it starts with the ID bit. then "Herr Boris, I need to see your travel documents". then they start kicking the doors in because they are bored and need to justify their budget. if the people want freedom, security and liberty, they need to speak out and start putting holes in scumbags. when this starts happening{yes, good people will die, just like in all wars** tey will get their hood back. I would rather die a free man than live with a boot in my throat. extreme ? yeah, maybe so. The Founders had the same attitude.

  5. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherCC View Post
    Dude, what is that supposed to mean. No one is coming for anyone. They're attempting to deter criminal activity, and hopefully, restore some order to a neighborhood that is slowly killing itself. Those comparisons to genocide, to political imprisonment, and religious persecution, are way out of line. That's just silly. So, are you concerned you may be next? Well then don't sell drugs or murder people. Don't turn your neighborhood in to a slum.

    And they're not demanding that people give up any rights by submitting to a stop at a security checkpoint. That's why the fed's ruled this method of crime prevention acceptable in the 90's, it's not asking anyone to forfeit any inherent rights. They're not kicking in doors, they're asking for ID, and intention. That's not against the law, nor is it unreasonable.

    Every time you fly you go through a metal detector and have your bag x-rayed, right? Why? To protect innocent people from getting hurt. It's that simple. The FAA determined that a security check point in an airport is the single most effective way to ensure innocent people aren't hurt or killed by people with bad intentions.

    A security checkpoint in Trinidad is, at the moment, the single most effective way to ensure order can be restored and innocent people can be safe and protected from bad people.


    So, are you concerned you may be next? Well then don't sell drugs or murder people. Don't turn your neighborhood in to a slum.


    Yes. think the government only comes after real criminals? Then you either have not been paying attention or you are living on a different planet than the rest of us.

    What about next month or next week or next year when the check point is in your town or mine to check for guns. You know the ones us criminals don't turn in by order of the government. Oh that is right you trust big brother I forgot.
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    Exclamation for the record

    The Nazi's set up checkpoints in Warsaw because of a "crime threat"...then began harassing the Jews.

    The Communists set up checkpoints in Berlin to keep dissidents from escaping to the West.

    The Somali Warlords set up road blocks to control the flow of food and potential soldiers (boys as young as 12 pulled away from parents and made to fight men's battles with men's guns.)

    Sudanese Warlords in Darfur set up roadblocks and checkpoints to hunt down Christians...killing the adults and selling the children as sex slaves (Legal under their laws as Christians rank lower than dogs).

    Chinese communists set up checkpoints and road blocks to keep the population from moving to better areas and keep the workforce in place (while hunting for Christians).

    The US Border patrol sets up roadblocks to check for citizenship and will give you a hard time even when they know you are American if you don't play nice. (If you don't believe me, drive through NM and hit a USBP checkpoint. Ask them under what constitutional authority they have to detain a US citizen and be prepared to wait it out, get a free body cavity search, and have your car taken apart while they look for "suspected" drugs...which by the way they do not have to reassemble it).

    The Whole idea is a crock. It is not a good Idea to let the Government control your comings and goings for any reason.

    It is Illegal Search and Seizure without probable cause. It is a violation of both the fourth and fifth amendments. Yes I know the fifth is the right to remain silent, but if you don't answer their questions they will run you in.(more body cavity searches and vehicle disassembly because you stood on your rights and ticked them off).

    It is a power trip plain and simple. The purpose of this exercise is prove an unarmed populace can be controlled.

    Now Herr Walther...PAPERS PLEASE!
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  7. #36

    Thumbs up couldn't said it better myself

    Quote Originally Posted by festus View Post
    The Nazi's set up checkpoints in Warsaw because of a "crime threat"...then began harassing the Jews.

    The Communists set up checkpoints in Berlin to keep dissidents from escaping to the West.

    The Somali Warlords set up road blocks to control the flow of food and potential soldiers (boys as young as 12 pulled away from parents and made to fight men's battles with men's guns.)

    Sudanese Warlords in Darfur set up roadblocks and checkpoints to hunt down Christians...killing the adults and selling the children as sex slaves (Legal under their laws as Christians rank lower than dogs).

    Chinese communists set up checkpoints and road blocks to keep the population from moving to better areas and keep the workforce in place (while hunting for Christians).

    The US Border patrol sets up roadblocks to check for citizenship and will give you a hard time even when they know you are American if you don't play nice. (If you don't believe me, drive through NM and hit a USBP checkpoint. Ask them under what constitutional authority they have to detain a US citizen and be prepared to wait it out, get a free body cavity search, and have your car taken apart while they look for "suspected" drugs...which by the way they do not have to reassemble it).

    The Whole idea is a crock. It is not a good Idea to let the Government control your comings and goings for any reason.

    It is Illegal Search and Seizure without probable cause. It is a violation of both the fourth and fifth amendments. Yes I know the fifth is the right to remain silent, but if you don't answer their questions they will run you in.(more body cavity searches and vehicle disassembly because you stood on your rights and ticked them off).

    It is a power trip plain and simple. The purpose of this exercise is prove an unarmed populace can be controlled.

    Now Herr Walther...PAPERS PLEASE!

    Some very excellent points festus. Thanks for posting.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    well said

    nothing like the FACTS eh, festus?....:joia:

  9. #38
    Thank you festus

    and the other AMERICANS here who believes in the CONSTITUTION STILL

  10. That was my point from the start thanks Festus
    Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant'
    is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist '.

  11. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherCC View Post
    Dude, what is that supposed to mean. No one is coming for anyone. They're attempting to deter criminal activity, and hopefully, restore some order to a neighborhood that is slowly killing itself. Those comparisons to genocide, to political imprisonment, and religious persecution, are way out of line. That's just silly. So, are you concerned you may be next? Well then don't sell drugs or murder people. Don't turn your neighborhood in to a slum.

    And they're not demanding that people give up any rights by submitting to a stop at a security checkpoint. That's why the fed's ruled this method of crime prevention acceptable in the 90's, it's not asking anyone to forfeit any inherent rights. They're not kicking in doors, they're asking for ID, and intention. That's not against the law, nor is it unreasonable.

    Every time you fly you go through a metal detector and have your bag x-rayed, right? Why? To protect innocent people from getting hurt. It's that simple. The FAA determined that a security check point in an airport is the single most effective way to ensure innocent people aren't hurt or killed by people with bad intentions.

    A security checkpoint in Trinidad is, at the moment, the single most effective way to ensure order can be restored and innocent people can be safe and protected from bad people.

    Another point, they are not "just checking ID's", they are turning away people who don't have "business" there or live in the neighborhood. Who decides what "business" is acceptable? Maybe I want to walk through there to get somewhere else without walking around, or maybe I just want to walk there. This is America, we have fought and died for freedom. Even though it is miniscule to some, the freedom to do something like walk through a bad neighborhood belongs to all of us.
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