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  1. Where is the Mad dadsor the or the guarding angles? When GUNS ARE OUTLAWED we won't have this thread!!!!

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    D.C. Police to Check Drivers In Violence-Plagued Trinidad

    "The enforcement will take place at random hours and last for at least five days in Trinidad, with the option of extending it five more days. Checkpoints could be set up in other neighborhoods if they are requested by patrol commanders and approved by Lanier."
    How is this any different than checkpoints for dui, seats, etc.. There not baracadeing people in and not letting them out/in, if you have a legitamate reason for being in the area then your wlecome to come and go.

    "The program is aimed at the city's most troubled areas. The 5th Police District, which includes Trinidad, has had 22 killings this year, one more than all of last year. Since April 1, the Trinidad neighborhood has had seven homicides, 16 robberies and 20 assaults with dangerous weapons, according to police data. In many cases in Trinidad and across the city, gunshots are fired from passing cars, victims are found in cars or cars are used to make fast getaways."
    Put yourself in the residents shoes here, that poor single mother trying to raise a family, or imagine your own significant other living in that area and you were out of country or out of town, would you still be so against these check points? You guys are acting like this is the first time checkpoints like this have been used.

    "Some residents expressed support for the plan yesterday, saying they are willing to submit to the checks if it makes the neighborhood safer. "We can't endure any more homicides," said neighborhood activist India Henderson"
    Of course this whole thing is an inconveince but isnt the check points at airpoints an inconveince, but yet we deal with it because in the grand scheme of things its for our safety. Im pro gun all the way but simply allowing citizens to legally carry guns isnt gonna just make this problem go away, what about the people who cant afford guns? Yes it would definately decrease crime but its only a band-aid, as this check point is only a band-aid. Imagine a tragedy happend in this town, say someone cracked out gangbanger gets his posse together and goes on a killing spree with deaths in the hundreds, we'd all be crying "why didn't the government do something" ala 9-11 and Katrina. This plan isnt gonna work but it may help, i really can't see a safer way for the residents and the police to handle this matter.

    Council member Harry Thomas Jr. (D-Ward 5), who represents Trinidad and other parts of Northeast Washington, said he had informal discussions with Lanier in which she had mentioned the possibility of the checkpoint announced yesterday, but he got little notice before the news conference. Civil liberties are always a concern, said Thomas, who maintained that residents are so concerned about violence that they will be willing to give the latest program a try.

    "I think the general consensus is that we have to do something because people live in fear," he said. "What would you rather have?" he asked. "A positive pattern of [police] checking things . . . or these folks who come into the community and wreak havoc?"
    Some of you guys need to come back to reality, everyone's not out to get you, every police man isnt dirty, and life is precious!:64:

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiquidG View Post
    D.C. Police to Check Drivers In Violence-Plagued Trinidad



    How is this any different than checkpoints for dui, seats, etc.. There not baracadeing people in and not letting them out/in, if you have a legitamate reason for being in the area then your wlecome to come and go.



    Put yourself in the residents shoes here, that poor single mother trying to raise a family, or imagine your own significant other living in that area and you were out of country or out of town, would you still be so against these check points? You guys are acting like this is the first time checkpoints like this have been used.



    Of course this whole thing is an inconveince but isnt the check points at airpoints an inconveince, but yet we deal with it because in the grand scheme of things its for our safety. Im pro gun all the way but simply allowing citizens to legally carry guns isnt gonna just make this problem go away, what about the people who cant afford guns? Yes it would definately decrease crime but its only a band-aid, as this check point is only a band-aid. Imagine a tragedy happend in this town, say someone cracked out gangbanger gets his posse together and goes on a killing spree with deaths in the hundreds, we'd all be crying "why didn't the government do something" ala 9-11 and Katrina. This plan isnt gonna work but it may help, i really can't see a safer way for the residents and the police to handle this matter.



    Some of you guys need to come back to reality, everyone's not out to get you, every police man isnt dirty, and life is precious!:64:

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    Liquid G we may have to agree to disagree on this topic.
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    Quotes are fine and dandy but how are quotes gonna protect the inocent in D.C.? Everyone here can "arm chair quaterback" this subject all you want but the fact is you need to put yourself in the places of the residents, would you really mind takeing 10 min.s out of your day to flash your id and give an explanation, when the alternative is being swamped with drug dealers and shoot outs, constaintly in fear for your life. Its easy for us gun owning guys to say this is bull crap we would deal with it on our own, but these are not middle class gun owners, these poverty stricken citizens.

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    It upsets me to see people put these checkpoints in the same light as airport and DUI checkpoints. For one, airplanes belong to a business. So really, what the government is doing is suppling the airline industry with security. People have the right to refuse being search at these FAA checkpoints but the airlines have the right to refuse the passenger passage on their planes if they refuse.
    Second, DUI checkpoints, really depend on how the officers handle themselves. I've seen some where the vehicles were just slowed to allow them to visualize the registration and inspection stickers of vehicles. but if you really read and understand the constitution, even these DUI checkpoints are unconstitutional.
    New York State Consolidated Laws, Civil Rights, Article 2-Bill of Rights, Section 4

    S 4. Right to keep and bear arms. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruger Lady View Post
    It upsets me to see people put these checkpoints in the same light as airport and DUI checkpoints. For one, airplanes belong to a business. So really, what the government is doing is suppling the airline industry with security. People have the right to refuse being search at these FAA checkpoints but the airlines have the right to refuse the passenger passage on their planes if they refuse.
    Second, DUI checkpoints, really depend on how the officers handle themselves. I've seen some where the vehicles were just slowed to allow them to visualize the registration and inspection stickers of vehicles. but if you really read and understand the constitution, even these DUI checkpoints are unconstitutional.
    DUI check point is the same thing plain and simple. In every DUI checkpoint i've been in i was stopped, showed my license, stated why i was on the road so late, and sent on my merry way, same thing will happen here, no big deal. There not even gonna stop pedestrians only automobiles, its a check point, there not searching your car or person (unless they have reason). These people being stopped are not gonna be questioned for hours hours. Regardless of how they do the police need to make there presence known in this part of D.C., this seems like one of the safer (for all parties) way to go about it. What makes me sad is the fact people that arent having to deal with the dangers the people in Trinidad are, are so paranoid of the cops and government are trying to stop the police from helping this neighborhood. Yeah D.C. is screwed up, yeah guns being illegal is stupid, crime is bad, these are facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiquidG View Post
    DUI check point is the same thing plain and simple. In every DUI checkpoint i've been in i was stopped, showed my license, stated why i was on the road so late, and sent on my merry way, same thing will happen here, no big deal. There not even gonna stop pedestrians only automobiles, its a check point, there not searching your car or person (unless they have reason). These people being stopped are not gonna be questioned for hours hours. Regardless of how they do the police need to make there presence known in this part of D.C., this seems like one of the safer (for all parties) way to go about it. What makes me sad is the fact people that arent having to deal with the dangers the people in Trinidad are, are so paranoid of the cops and government are trying to stop the police from helping this neighborhood. Yeah D.C. is screwed up, yeah guns being illegal is stupid, crime is bad, these are facts.

    1) Some states have used the DUI check points as an excuse to check for
    guns.
    2) If they want to serch your car or home for that matter they will invent
    a reason. Say an anonomus tip.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltherCC View Post
    It's a little misleading to have addressed this thread as "Police to seal off city," that's a blatant exaggeration. What they're actually doing is tightening the screws, so to speak, in Trinidad, a neighborhood IN D.C.

    And have you ever been to the Trinidad area of D.C.? Probably not. Do you know why you've never been to that part of town? Because any individual that's not retarded would immediately recognize it as one of the most dangerous places in the country and either avoid it like the plague, or flee if they wandered into it accidentally. It's like Compton. In fact, statistically, it's worse.
    I got lost there once on foot late at night while walking back from Virginia, and none of us were armed. We saw a lot of creepy people, but didn't get any trouble at all. It was a pretty stupid thing to do, and I wouldn't do it again...but we made it out just fine. It was in December and it was very cold out; bums in northern cities apparently huddle around steam vents. It was like something from Bladerunner.

    What it really comes down to is that civil liberties are only valid when they don't need to be protected. If they face a serious threat, then it's pretty much ok to just roll over, because we can come up with all kinds of rational-sounding reasons why.
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  10. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by LiquidG View Post
    [sic] if you have a legitamate reason for being in the area then your wlecome to come and go.
    Why must someone decides whats legitamate to me or not ?

    If a Black cop decides a white person doesn't belong somewhere you would be screaming racism
    If a male cop decides woman aren't allowed you would be screaming sexism
    I can go on, but most get the idea
    DO YOU ?

    If ok to lose your 4th Amendments rights
    but its not OK to lose your 2nd, right ?
    you're only happy with ones that benefits you ?

    I hope people that think like you don't vote
    Its people like you thats helping .gov to take our Constitution apart


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