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    Gunshot Suicide at Range

    This is an awful thing to happen and this range made a terrible mistake but New York politicians will take full advantage probably by not allowing ranges to rent any guns or ammo to anyone. Notice how the Post had to note about the Columbine "massacre", since they are anti-gun. You'd think they'd want to write more than one sentence about this poor young man and his life cut short.

    GUNSHOT SUICIDE AT RANGE - New York Post

    GUNSHOT SUICIDE AT RANGE
    UN SON UNSUPERVISED
    By PHILIP MESSING

    June 17, 2008 -- The 20-year-old college-student son of a globetrotting UN staffer fatally shot himself in the head at a popular Chelsea rifle range that had sold him ammunition, rented him a high-powered rifle - and left him on his own, The Post has learned.

    The bizarre suicide of Patrick Karorero happened June 3 inside the West Side Pistol Range on West 20th Street, which caters to Wall Street types, law-enforcement officials and shooting hobbyists.

    It's where Robert De Niro, playing cabby Travis Bickle in the 1976 movie "Taxi Driver," was filmed staring down a barrel of a gun.

    The range's owner, Robert Derrig, did not return calls for comment, and the NYPD said only the tragedy was "under investigation."

    The mayor's office, which has waged a highly publicized campaign against gun violence, also declined to comment.

    Sources familiar with the case provided the following account:

    Karorero, who had first visited the range on May 20, paid a $25 range fee and purchased three boxes, or 150 rounds, of 9mm ammunition for an additional $45.

    He was then rented a Hi-Point 9mm carbine rifle for another $40 and left alone to practice.

    The Hi-Point is the same type of rifle wielded by one of the gunmen in the Columbine HS massacre.

    At about 9 p.m., some two hours after showing up, a jittery Karorero waited for several other target shooters near him to leave the area.

    Then, after looking distractedly to either side, he fired a rifle shot into his head.

    The bullet tore a hole in the ceiling of the range, which is in the basement of an office building.

    The tragedy - captured on surveillance tape - was ruled a suicide by the Medical Examiner's Office. Karorero left no note.

    The city's administrative code states, "Any person under the age of 21 years may carry, fire or use any rifle or gun in the actual presence or under the direct supervision of any person who is the holder of a rifle or shotgun permit." The same provision applies to buying ammunition.

    The range has cameras, and employees may have been watching him on a monitor. But experts consulted by The Post said that would not constitute "direct supervision."

    Karorero, who was born in the African country of Burundi, had been living in the United States since August 2002 and was studying computer science at Plattsburgh State University.

    His father, Pascal Karorero, a Rwandan national, rushed home from Chad, where he is based.

    "He should not have been allowed on the range," the elder Karorero insisted. "If you run this type of business, you should exercise supervision throughout."

    "I was completely taken aback that he was involved in any type of firearms activities - he was involved in computer games."

    The dad said that due to his UN work, his son had been raised in various war-torn African countries.

    "It seems to me," he said, "that it is much, much easier to have access to a gun here than it is elsewhere."

    END
    New York State Consolidated Laws, Civil Rights, Article 2-Bill of Rights, Section 4

    S 4. Right to keep and bear arms. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed.

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    This is a good illustration as to why we as gun owners need to exercise extreme caution when allowing folks to handle/use our firearms. It could happen just about anywhere if the conditions are just right.





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    The Hi-Point is the same type of rifle wielded by one of the gunmen in the Columbine HS massacre.
    Not this crap again. Big deal, so they used a Hi-Point carbine. So what?

    Why did this guy have to burden others with his death wish? He could have just gone to a bridge like everyone else, or overdosed on drugs.
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    I never leave anyone alone with a gun unless I know them REAL well. Personally if I were running a range, I'd staff a good range master. Thats a given especially in areas where people are not hugely exposed to guns as tools. Just MHO. Its a shame it happened, but the kid was probably determined no matter what to go the suicide path, too bad close friends or family were not paying more attention. Although sometimes you just don't see it, I had a friend go out that way. This is just another thing for the antis to grab ahold of and poorly use as a political message. Personally I think it is disgusting to use someones death to further your cause. Although the usual crap is in it. They talk about hollywood and call the 9mm carbine a "high powered" rifle. Well at least they did not use "assault". It always seems to me that the antis only references and exposure to guns are straight from hollywood.
    They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
    ---Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

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    The anti gunners I am sure will be all over this but it is almost impossible to protect someone from themselves. If a person is intent on taking their own life they will do if with or with out the gun. It is sad that someone would think that things were so bad they had to do this but it would not be any less a tragedy if he used a car or a bottle of pills. The enemies of our constitution would like to use it to further their own agenda though.
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    here we go again... this kind of crap pisses me off. it's all the gun's fault.. with their logic here if he did not have access to a gun he would still be alive. now that's debateable. if some one wants to kill him/herself, he/she is going to do it one way or another. look at japan. guns are rare over there, yet they have one of the highest suicide rates. STOP BLAMING THE GUNS YOU STUPID MEDIA MORONS. it's not the gun's fault that these people are sick. such stupidity should not be tolerated. and how is a 9mm carbine a "high power rifle"????
    You can have my freedom as soon as I'm done with it!!!

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    Sad story but this has happened at two different ranges around my area this year. But like all of you said first a 9mm carbine is NOT a high powered rifle. Second, if someone is bent on killing themselves they will with whatever tool they have easily available.

    Like Scarecrow said I was reading an article awhile back were there was a rash of suicides were people would mix household chemicals to create lethal fumes. Not only did it kill them but in one case several other people in the apartment complex became very sick.

    A pistol in the hands of one man serves only as a tool of defense and protection were as the same pistol in the hands of another man bring death and destruction. In either case the pistol never changed only the mans intent did.
    "When Government fears the people, it's liberty. When people fear the Government, it's tyranny."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow View Post
    and how is a 9mm carbine a "high power rifle"????
    It's "high power" or "assault" if it looks scary.

    Next thing you know, it'll be a "machine gun".
    Silent Running, by Mike and the Mechanics

  10. The sad thing here is a young man lost his life. Any time someone dies it is very sad for the family and friends. And what does the Post focus on is not the fact that a young life was wasted but rather on the GUN! That is what Pisses me off. My prayers go out to the family. VERY VERY SAD!
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    The media here in HI doesn't report on suicides. Even if it's a "public figure" like a local entertainer, politician, etc., other than to say that the person died.

    Says a lot about a news agency when they use the death of a troubled individual to further their political agenda.



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