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  1. Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AndeyHall View Post
    Violate one of the new laws and get arrested and they'd probably be glad to help out. I think they need a case to take to the Supreme Court first.
    Cases don't just get "taken" to SCOTUS. They get tried and the party that feels its civil rights were infringed appeals up through a line of appeals courts before it would get anywhere near SCOTUS. Assuming the top-level appeal left the perceived infringements of civil rights upheld, only then would the aggrieved party appeal to SCOTUS, but four Justices there would decide whether or not the appeal had prima facie merit sufficient to accept it and hear it. Four Justices could choose to leave it alone and allow the lower courts' ruling(s) to stand.

    Other than that, the N R A is supposed to be a lobbying organization. Their main stated mission has nothing to do with "taking" individual cases to any court, Supreme or otherwise. Their mission is to influence law-makers, and as such, influencing CT and/or NY and/or CO and/or MD law-makers should be right in their wheelhouse if they had the kind of power that people on both sides of the gun rights issue are convinced they have.

    Personally, I believe they have next to no power at all, other than to make the same kinds of public statements that millions of citizens send to politicians' email inboxes, addresses and telephone numbers in private. We see how much good that tack does. Virtually zero, or, at best, they result in "compromises" that still make gun-owners the only losers and gun-grabbers the only winners.

    Quote Originally Posted by lessthan0 View Post
    It seems in NY they jumped in with out that happening ?
    Can you name anything that the N R A has actually done (other than make public statements) in NY? Just curious.

    Blues
    I was more or less being sarcastic and not trying to go through an entire semester of criminal justice in doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lessthan0 View Post
    It seems in NY they jumped in with out that happening ?
    Say what...?
    NRA itself hasn't done squat in NY, to my knowledge. Their "arm" in NY (whatever that means), the NYSRPA, filed a lawsuit that the government is going to ignore, but that's all I know of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tricolordad View Post
    Can you name anything that Bluestringer has actually done (other than rant on internet forums) for the 2A? Just curious.
    Hmm....That would be "ranting" on internet gun forums about the 2A. My my, how inappropriate of a topic to feel passionate about on such a forum, huh?

    BTW, how'd the N R A let that arms treaty slip through with their "voice" being so influential there and stuff?

    Quote Originally Posted by AndeyHall View Post
    I was more or less being sarcastic and not trying to go through an entire semester of criminal justice in doing so.
    Wow. If three relatively short paragraphs is what constitutes an entire semester of higher education in your world, it's no wonder you think that the N R A can just "take" a case to SCOTUS. Buck up there hotrod. I said nothing that you should've taken personally or gotten all smart-ass about.

    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    Yeah, Blues opened my eyes (after countless arguments) to what's happening in this country. My thinking is forever changed by him.
    That's among the nicest things anyone has ever said to or about me. Kudos for the kudos, BC. I appreciate it.

    Blues
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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    Hmm....That would be "ranting" on internet gun forums about the 2A. My my, how inappropriate of a topic to feel passionate about on such a forum, huh?

    BTW, how'd the N R A let that arms treaty slip through with their "voice" being so influential there and stuff?



    Wow. If three relatively short paragraphs is what constitutes an entire semester of higher education in your world, it's no wonder you think that the N R A can just "take" a case to SCOTUS. Buck up there hotrod. I said nothing that you should've taken personally or gotten all smart-ass about.



    That's among the nicest things anyone has ever said to or about me. Kudos for the kudos, BC. I appreciate it.

    Blues
    Soooo..you're admitting to preaching to the choir this whole time? Bravo! You sure helped the 2A by wasting your time on those who already vote the same way as you!

    Mr. LaPierre had a namepate, chair and floortime in front of the UN...did you? He spoke to them in a UN session, with his voice, therefore the NRA, which he represents, had a voice in the UN. But go ahead, keep preaching to the choir. Doing nothing seems to suit you fine.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    Wow. If three relatively short paragraphs is what constitutes an entire semester of higher education in your world, it's no wonder you think that the N R A can just "take" a case to SCOTUS. Buck up there hotrod. I said nothing that you should've taken personally or gotten all smart-ass about.

    Blues
    I may not should have taken offense in your eyes, but I think a lot would agree that you have a very condescending way of correcting people when they don't explain as thoroughly as you might would have. My point was that the NRA will use their attorneys sometimes if a member gets caught up in a legal issue that they believe has "unconstitutional" written all over it.

    As for not knowing how "SCOTUS" works, I've spent the last 2 semesters studying the entire US court systems, so I know more about it than I care to. Quite frankly I think people just like saying SCOTUS and POTUS.

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    Well back to the NRA not stepping in to help us out here in CT. I feel abandon by them! The good people of CT join the NRA.......For what? They showed up in the beginning put their 2 cents in and after our idiot politicians passed ridiculous laws haven't heard from them since! Why should we support them to help fight for other states or against the fed laws that are trying to be passed??? Our state now has the MOST restrictive laws in the country! Any new laws passed by the feds will make no difference here!

    So NRA step up to the plate here in CT!!!!!

    I can't image why anyone here in CT will be willing to contribute to the NRA any more if they will not help us in the time of NEED?!?!

    By the way I have emailed the NRA asking when and if they are going to help D A Y S ago..................No Reply!

  8. Quote Originally Posted by lessthan0 View Post
    Well back to the NRA not stepping in to help us out here in CT. I feel abandon by them! The good people of CT join the NRA.......For what? They showed up in the beginning put their 2 cents in and after our idiot politicians passed ridiculous laws haven't heard from them since! Why should we support them to help fight for other states or against the fed laws that are trying to be passed??? Our state now has the MOST restrictive laws in the country! Any new laws passed by the feds will make no difference here!

    So NRA step up to the plate here in CT!!!!!

    I can't image why anyone here in CT will be willing to contribute to the NRA any more if they will not help us in the time of NEED?!?!

    By the way I have emailed the NRA asking when and if they are going to help D A Y S ago..................No Reply!
    Try calling. And while you're at it, see if the NRA can do anything about this damn 15 character limit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tricolordad View Post
    Soooo..you're admitting to preaching to the choir this whole time? Bravo! You sure helped the 2A by wasting your time on those who already vote the same way as you!
    Umm.....yeah, that's right, everyone already agrees with me on every gun and/or 2nd Amendment issue. Good grief. If that were true, you wouldn't be whining every time I deign to post about, well, gun and/or 2nd Amendment issues.

    As far as "wasting" my time "on those who already vote the same way" as I do, your memory is worse than your inability to put forth a cogent argument. Does "I will not vote for Romney" ring a bell?

    Quote Originally Posted by tricolordad View Post
    Mr. LaPierre had a namepate, chair and floortime in front of the UN...did you? He spoke to them in a UN session, with his voice, therefore the NRA, which he represents, had a voice in the UN. But go ahead, keep preaching to the choir. Doing nothing seems to suit you fine.
    Umm...."floortime in front of the UN?" More like chair-time in a coat-closet in the UN building somewhere. Pfft. You really ought to study up on what NGOs mean to the power-brokers at the UN. Absolutely nothing is the correct answer, and the proof of that is that the small arms treaty passed just a week or so ago and LaPierre's own government voted for it. He's got exactly the same "voice" at the UN that he has in America. No one in power cares what he says at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by AndeyHall View Post
    I may not should have taken offense in your eyes, but I think a lot would agree that you have a very condescending way of correcting people when they don't explain as thoroughly as you might would have.
    Condescending? Good grief man, I couldn't have been less personal or matter-of-fact in commenting on your comment. If what I said was thought by you to be condescending or otherwise insulting, you are just looking for something to get offended over. Like I said, buck up there hotrod.

    Quote Originally Posted by AndeyHall View Post
    My point was that the NRA will use their attorneys sometimes if a member gets caught up in a legal issue that they believe has "unconstitutional" written all over it.
    And my counter-point was that I don't know if that ever happens, but taking individual cases to court is not their mission. They're a lobby organization, not a legal aid .org. What's wrong with pointing that out?

    Quote Originally Posted by AndeyHall View Post
    As for not knowing how "SCOTUS" works, I've spent the last 2 semesters studying the entire US court systems, so I know more about it than I care to. Quite frankly I think people just like saying SCOTUS and POTUS.
    So now you've got a problem with me abbreviating "SCOTUS" instead of typing out "the Supreme Court" every time I refer to it? Like I said, you're just looking for something to whine about.

    And you "know more than you care to" about how the courts work that can snatch your rights away from you with the stroke of a pen? That is a stunning admission. You really shouldn't be discussing constitutional issues anymore. You might learn more than you care to from the highly knowledgeable folks on this forum.

    Blues
    No one has ever heard me say that I "hate" cops, because I don't. This is why I will never trust one again though: You just never know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lessthan0 View Post
    Our state now has the MOST restrictive laws in the country!
    Cheer up, we still got it worse than you in NY. And I'll still take NY over NJ and California, and there may be others. And CT is still way better than NY with CCW's.
    Actually doesn't sound too cheerful, does it...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tricolordad View Post
    Soooo..you're admitting to preaching to the choir this whole time? Bravo! You sure helped the 2A by wasting your time on those who already vote the same way as you!
    Umm.....yeah, that's right, everyone already agrees with me on every gun and/or 2nd Amendment issue. Good grief. If that were true, you wouldn't be whining every time I deign to post about, well, gun and/or 2nd Amendment issues.

    As far as "wasting" my time "on those who already vote the same way" as I do, your memory is worse than your inability to put forth a cogent argument. Does "I will not vote for Romney" ring a bell?

    Quote Originally Posted by tricolordad View Post
    Mr. LaPierre had a namepate, chair and floortime in front of the UN...did you? He spoke to them in a UN session, with his voice, therefore the NRA, which he represents, had a voice in the UN. But go ahead, keep preaching to the choir. Doing nothing seems to suit you fine.
    Umm...."floortime in front of the UN?" More like chair-time in a coat-closet in the UN building somewhere. Pfft. You really ought to study up on what NGOs mean to the power-brokers at the UN. Absolutely nothing is the correct answer, and the proof of that is that the small arms treaty passed just a week or so ago and LaPierre's own government voted for it. He's got exactly the same "voice" at the UN that he has in America. No one in power cares what he says at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by AndeyHall View Post
    I may not should have taken offense in your eyes, but I think a lot would agree that you have a very condescending way of correcting people when they don't explain as thoroughly as you might would have.
    Condescending? Good grief man, I couldn't have been less personal or matter-of-fact in commenting on your comment. If what I said was thought by you to be condescending or otherwise insulting, you are just looking for something to get offended over. Like I said, buck up there hotrod.

    Quote Originally Posted by AndeyHall View Post
    My point was that the NRA will use their attorneys sometimes if a member gets caught up in a legal issue that they believe has "unconstitutional" written all over it.
    And my counter-point was that I don't know if that ever happens, but taking individual cases to court is not their mission. They're a lobby organization, not a legal aid .org. What's wrong with pointing that out?

    Quote Originally Posted by AndeyHall View Post
    As for not knowing how "SCOTUS" works, I've spent the last 2 semesters studying the entire US court systems, so I know more about it than I care to. Quite frankly I think people just like saying SCOTUS and POTUS.
    So now you've got a problem with me abbreviating "SCOTUS" instead of typing out "the Supreme Court" every time I refer to it? Like I said, you're just looking for something to whine about.

    And you "know more than you care to" about how the courts work that can snatch your rights away from you with the stroke of a pen? That is a stunning admission. You really shouldn't be discussing constitutional issues anymore. You might learn more than you care to from the highly knowledgeable folks on this forum.

    Blues
    Lol blues you do make some good points on here but everyone of your posts reads like a law school text book. I've never seen so many long winded posts in my life.

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