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    I'll give Mass. State, Boston, Watertown and Cambridge law enforcement agencies props for apparently not having shot any innocent bystanders (yet?), but I also think that if the 19-year-old is still alive (which I tend to doubt), there is no way he will be taken alive. If they find him, he will be Dorner'ed one way or 'tother.

    I heard one caller into FOX today say that they are knocking on doors, yelling an ID at the top of their lungs, and if no one answers the door, then they go to the bull-horn, and if someone still doesn't answer the door, they're making forced entries. I have not seen that on the coverage, but I have seen several emptying of homes and businesses and SWAT-like teams rushing inside to do their searches. I'd tell 'em to get lost, and if they insisted, I'd say, "Look, there's no criminals in here. If you're going to shoot me because I don't need or want you here, then fire away, but I'm not inviting you in."

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    No one has ever heard me say that I "hate" cops, because I don't. This is why I will never trust one again though: You just never know...

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by mappow View Post
    That's always been my issue...........When does my Rights take second seat to "The greater Good of Society"? The Bill of Rights is supposed to guarantee that never happens.
    I hear what your saying, understand your premise. Don't agree in the "GREATER GOOD". The individual NOT the masses are supposed to be guaranteed rights. That's what make us different from most other countries.
    I absolutely agree with you mappow... I was just trying to explain how the sheeple see it. I don't agree with it but I have to put myself in their shoes so that I can try to understand their point of view so that I can argue it effectively.

    I don't see that my rights should ever take a backseat to the greater good.

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    If I still lived in Boston, I would be on the local (maybe national) news because I would tell these cops to "F off" until they showed me a legal warrant to search my home and grounds.
    My rights are for "the greater good". MY greater good and I refuse to submit to this fascist and ILLEGAL search.
    They can all kiss my arse. They ain't getting in my house... Period!
    I'm just waiting for the report on the one guy who says no to them! You watch, they'll kick his door in, drag him onto the pavement and cuff him!

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    I would add to my original post that the choice to allow, without PC or a warrant, would be just that MY CHOICE. I do and will always support LEO's, what I will not do is have my Rights violated. I'm sure most on this site totally agree.
    "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." --author and philosopher Ayn Rand (1905-1982)

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Dekul34 View Post
    So, while I understand what they are doing and want to see this brought to an end, I'm curious about a couple things. On the news I keep seeing stories of the mayor and police ordering people to stay in their homes, heavily armed swat members yelling at people to go inside off their porches and intimidating them with some nebulous 'bomb threat' or other such thing. As far as I'm aware there is not a state of emergency there nor martial law so what right do the police have to tell you whether you can go outside or not, or anything else for that matter?


    The other question is about door to door searches. Don't they need to have the homeowner's consent to perform these searches without a warrant? I certainly wouldn't want a jumpy swat team eager to nail some bomb suspect tearing apart my house for no reason... besides, if said suspect had tried to enter my home they'd already know and there would probably be a body for them to pick up... I'm just wondering how many people will not comply with these door to door searches and how many of their rights will be violated through intimidation or just ignoring their non-consent. Nothing against the police in general here but there are enough bad apples and itchy trigger fingers to make any crisis like this dangerous, just look at the manhunt for the ex-cop in Cali not long ago where groups of officers were lighting up random civilians just for driving pickup trucks.
    If the northern states had the density of firearm owners that the south does, they would have most likely already received that call by now and this thing would be over.

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    Something else to muse on.
    How many gun-owners in Boston spent the night cowering in their homes?

    The answer is "none of them."
    Tolerance of the intolerant leads to the destruction of tolerance. “You are also reminded that any inappropriate remarks or jokes concerning security may result in your arrest,” in the land of the free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    if no one answers the door, then they go to the bull-horn, and if someone still doesn't answer the door, they're making forced entries.

    Blues
    I really hope that is not true and if it is then people that made that bonehead decision should be fired and I don't care how many Masters Degrees they have.
    This needs follow up BIG TIME!
    Tolerance of the intolerant leads to the destruction of tolerance. “You are also reminded that any inappropriate remarks or jokes concerning security may result in your arrest,” in the land of the free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golocx4 View Post
    Something else to muse on.
    How many gun-owners in Boston spent the night cowering in their homes?

    The answer is "none of them."
    I cower cocked & locked! Really don't want to sent you to your Maker BUT...,... Will aid in your journey if you're coming busting down my door.
    "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." --author and philosopher Ayn Rand (1905-1982)

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    Still trying to figure out how he got away from 40 or so L.E. to begin with...


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    They got him and so far not a crispy critter yet, but it is early.
    Tolerance of the intolerant leads to the destruction of tolerance. “You are also reminded that any inappropriate remarks or jokes concerning security may result in your arrest,” in the land of the free.

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