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    Quote Originally Posted by Jes View Post
    I call BS. Cousin just received case of IMI .223 imported.
    You don't know how things work, do you?

    A shipment of Tula may take 4 to 5 months to reach the commercial market here in the states.

    The order must be placed, paid for, palleted, trucked, placed on ship, delivered to port, customs, moved from port to importer, sold to local distributors, trucked to local distributors, resold and shipped to end users.


    Nothing happens overnight, even laws going into effect.

    And further- you think and importer will pay $4M for a shipment, or an exporter for that matter, will risk that size of a shipment only to get hung up in customs for a year as a EO or legitimate law is debated? No, they won't, that why no other countries have filled the ammo void in the last several months.


    As I said, delusional. Or maybe, ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolbota View Post
    Suspending all import ammo and guns.

    7.62? there will be no more.
    BS!!!!!!! It just won't be as cheap. Winchester makes some. As does Graf & Sons. So maybe we won't get the 7.62X54R as cheap but it still will be around. But I only have 1200 rounds for that evil gun. If you fired 10 rounds per minute that equals 2 hours of continuous shooting. Your arm would give out before the ammo did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolbota View Post


    As I said, delusional. Or maybe, ignorant.
    Well, there keyboard warrior... He ordered directly from overseas and received it in 4 weeks. Arrived last thursday.

    Go ahead and call me a liar big guy. I am picking up 200 rds from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolbota View Post
    You don't know how things work, do you?

    A shipment of Tula may take 4 to 5 months to reach the commercial market here in the states.

    The order must be placed, paid for, palleted, trucked, placed on ship, delivered to port, customs, moved from port to importer, sold to local distributors, trucked to local distributors, resold and shipped to end users.


    Nothing happens overnight, even laws going into effect.

    And further- you think and importer will pay $4M for a shipment, or an exporter for that matter, will risk that size of a shipment only to get hung up in customs for a year as a EO or legitimate law is debated? No, they won't, that why no other countries have filled the ammo void in the last several months.


    As I said, delusional. Or maybe, ignorant.
    Oh, and after looking at the insulting and derogatory posts you have made since you joined THIS MONTH, you are now on ignore... AHHHH LOVE THAT BUTTON.

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    I just ordered 1200 rounds of 7.62x54R S&B yesterday afternoon. If mine is coming from the UK, ammo sales are not being restricted like you say koolaid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jes View Post
    Oh, and after looking at the insulting and derogatory posts you have made since you joined THIS MONTH, you are now on ignore... AHHHH LOVE THAT BUTTON.


    Ewwww.......is that a threat? LOL



    No you are not purchasing direct from overseas.......not without import license you ain't.

    Liar? whatever you want to label yourself.

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    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives


    Import Firearms, Ammunition, and Implements of War

    An Application and Permit for Importation of Firearms, Ammunition and Implements of War is generally needed to import defense articles into the United States. The most recent PDF, non-fillable version of the ATF Form 6 Part I import permit application may be found on our website at http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5330.3a.pdf. You may also search our website at www.atf.gov under Forms or contact our ATF Distribution Center to order a year’s supply of any of our forms and publications.
    It generally takes the Firearms and Explosives Imports Branch (FEIB) personnel approximately four-to-six weeks to process a properly completed ATF Form 6. To assist us with the timely processing of your forms, we ask that you ensure:

    • The form contains accurate and complete information.
    • Item 1 contains your complete and valid 15-digit Federal firearms license number and your expiration date (located in the box directly to the right of the FFL box), especially the 7th and 8th digits which identifies your type of license. The 9th digit of your FFL number indicates the year your license expires, and the 10th digit indicates the month.

      Code Month
      A January
      B February
      C March
      D April
      E May
      F June
      G July
      H August
      J September
      K October
      L November
      N December
      Remember: If you are a Federal firearms licensee Type “08” or “11” but you have not registered as an importer under the Arms Export Control Act, you are restricted to importing sporting shotguns, sporting shotgun ammunition, and sporting shotgun parts for resale.
    • Item 2 contains your business and fax telephone numbers. Please note the letter B next to your business telephone number, and F next to your fax telephone number.
    • Item 3 contains the name of the country the firearm is being exported from. Pursuant to 27 CFR 447.52, be advised that ATF is precluded from approving applications to import articles that were manufactured in, or being exported from a proscribed country.
    • Item 5 contains your name and address, not the name and address of the person you may be importing the articles on behalf of.
    • Item 6 contains the foreign seller’s name and address.
    • Item 7 contains the foreign shipper’s name and address. If this information is identical to the information in item 6, you may note the words “See item 6.”
    • Items 8a–k requires you to provide a specific detailed description of the defense article you wish to import. You may complete one Form 6 to import numerous defense articles but list only the articles that correspond with that Form 6. If the space provided in Items 8a–k is not sufficient to list all the articles you wish to import, please note only the words “see attachment” on the face of the ATF Form 6, under the Firearms, Ammunition, or Implements of War category, whichever is applicable. Use a separate sheet of paper to precisely describe and itemize the articles you wish to import, following the identical format in items 8a–k on the Form 6. This information is needed to determine the import status of the articles. List firearm component parts, (which do not include a firearm frame or receiver) under the Implement of War (IOW) category. IOWs include magazines, grips, barrels, mounts, scopes, and night visions, etc. Note the magazine capacity as well as the type and model designation of the firearm associated with the parts. When importing IOW, you must complete items 8a–f and list additional information under Description of the IOW category.
    • Item 8a contains the name, address and/or country where the firearm was manufactured. Pursuant to 27 CFR 447.52, be advised that ATF is precluded from approving applications to import articles that were manufactured in, or being exported from, a proscribed country.
    • Item 8b contains only the acronyms:

      Code Description
      SG shotgun
      RI rifle
      PI pistol
      RE revolver
      DD destructive device
      SI silencer
      SR short-barreled rifle
      SS short-barreled shotgun
      MG machinegun
      AW any other weapon (Marble Game Getters, pen and cane guns, etc.)
      Any information you can provide to further identify articles may be noted in item 8b. For example, if you know the firearm is an assault, non-sporting, or NFA weapon, you may note this information separately, directly under columns item 8b–d, after you have already described the articles in items d 8a–k.
    • Item 8c contains the firearm’s caliber and gauge. If you are importing articles of various calibers and gauges, you must itemize and specifically identify the caliber and gauge of each article.
    • Item 8d contains the quantity. If you are importing articles of various models, you must itemize and specifically identify each article by its model designation.
    • Item 8e contains the unit cost.
    • Item 8f contains the US MIL Category of the article to be imported that corresponds to the categories of defense articles enumerated under 27 CFR 447.21. For example, firearms and firearms components=Category/Roman numeral I and ammunition=Category/Roman numeral III.
    • Item 8g contains the firearm’s exact model designation. If you are unable to determine the model designation, please attach close-up photographs and/or scaled tracings (for handguns only) together with a listing of all markings appearing on the firearm and the location of these markings. This information will assist us in determining the import status of the firearm, and it should be attached to the completed Form 6.
    • Items 8h–i note the firearm’s barrel and overall length. Please provide inches instead of centimeters or millimeters.
      Remember: the barrel and overall length are not the only criteria used to determine the import status of firearms. To meet the sporting criteria and qualify for importation under the law at section 925(d)(3): (1) rifles must have a barrel length of 16 inches or more and overall length 26-inches or more; (2) shotguns must have a barrel length of 18 inches or more and overall length of 26-inches or more; (3) pistols must have an overall length of 6 inches and achieve a minimum score of 75 points on ATF F 5330.5, Factoring Criteria for Weapons; and, (4) revolvers must have a minimum barrel length of 3 inches or more, pass the safety test and achieve a minimum score of 45 points on ATF F 5330.5, Factoring Criteria for Weapons.
    • Item 8j contains the firearm’s serial number.
    • Item 8k notes the condition of the firearm: N=new and U=used.
    • Item 9 b or c is checked only if the items to be imported are U.S. origin military defense articles and not commercially manufactured goods. If the U.S. military defense articles “contain U.S. manufactured parts or components and/or foreign manufactured parts or components that were manufactured with U.S. technical data or assistance,” you must first obtain written retransfer authorization from the U.S. Department of State, Office of Defense Trade Controls, Political Military (PM/DTC), Room 1200 SA-1, 241 E Street, NW, Washington, DC 20037, (202) 663-1282, U.S. State Department - Policy - Directorate of Defense Trade Controls, to be attached to the initial completed Form 6. New production of U.S. military defense articles would still require retransfer authorization to qualify for importation into the United States.
    • Item 10 contains the specific purpose of importation, such as Gun Show, personal use, “on behalf of”, demonstration, or resale, etc. If importing NFA and non-sporting weapons, please ensure an official government contract, purchase order, or letter typed on official law enforcement and/or government letterhead, bearing the original signature of the chief law enforcement official having jurisdiction over that area, is attached to the completed Form 6.
    • Item 11 must be checked “yes” or “no.” In order to engage in the business of importing articles on the U.S. Munitions Import List, other than sporting shotguns, shotgun parts, or shotgun shells, for resale, you must be registered as an importer under the Arms Export Control Act (AECA). ATF Form 4587 (5330.4), Application to Register as an Importer of U.S. Munitions Import List Articles, may be found on our website.
    • Item 12 contains your 10-digit AECA number which was issued by this office when you completed Form 4587.
    • Item 13 contains your original signature.
    • Item 14 contains your title, such as Importer, CEO, or President

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    For the rest of you-

    All imported ammo comes in through a licensed importer.

    There is no direct shipments.
    Further, none of you could afford the shipping costs and it comes by way of water, not air.

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    You people still think I'm full of ****, huh?

    They are going to have a hard time getting it into the country too.


    Private Firms seek help from Russia for Ammunition - 900 Million Rounds Worth
    http://www.infowars.com/u-s-companie...o-from-russia/

    U.S. Companies Purchased 900 Million Rounds of Ammo from Russia


    Infowars.com
    April 27, 2013

    The outlandish purchase of billions of rounds of ammunition by the federal government has created a serious shortage in the United States. In response, according to a Russian website (Lenta.ru), suppliers in the United States are turning to Russia to fill the gap.

    From Lenta.ru (translated by Google) on Friday:

    U.S. private companies purchased from Russian producers 900 million rounds of ammunition for rifles and pistols. This is with reference to sources in the military-industrial circles reported April 26 the newspaper “Izvestia”.

    The subject of the contract with the Russian factories, steel machine-gun cartridges of 7.62 x 39 millimeters and a pistol – caliber 919 mm. It is reported that customers were five U.S. companies, including Intrac Arms International LLC and Wolf Perfomance Ammunition.

    Negotiations on the supply began in 2011 with the participation of “Rosoboronexport”. The first batch of cartridges were sent to American buyers in early 2013. Amount of the contract is not a source told the publication.

    For information about the availability of the agreement “News” confirmed at the Ulyanovsk cartridge plant. Representative of the plant said that the U.S. has guaranteed the U.S. Defense Department, according to which the cartridges are intended only for private buyers, but not for the army units, or exports.

    In an interview with the editor of Maxim world.guns.ru Popenker reported that demand for ammunition in the United States by a massive government contracts to the needs of the army and security forces. “Therefore, there is a shortage of cartridges that private companies-sellers compensated for by imports” – added Popenker. Ammunition, according to the expert, U.S. citizens can also buy for the future, fear of restrictions on weapons by the government.


    7.62 millimeters is most prevalent with the advent of the Kalashnikov AK-47 and its variants, which are popular among the American population. The U.S. also has a large demand for self-loading carbine Simonov (SKS), which uses the same ammunition. Sales rifle as a weapon, produced more than half a century ago, in the U.S., there are restrictions on additional equipment.

    Nine-millimeter cartridges (Para) for guns gained popularity in the United States in the early 1990s. Then the police and army units began to use weapons of mass production, “Smith & Wesson” and “Beretta”, which applies this caliber ammunition.


    This article was posted: Saturday, April 27, 2013 at 11:43 am

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