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  1. Quote Originally Posted by whodat2710 View Post
    People in the north always ***** about the south, but they also retire down here How else did we get NHL teams south of I-10?
    Your absolutely right that's why I am reconsidering retiring down South. I don't like it here and can't wait to get out but, where to go is the question? South Carolina was always on my radar but as someone said northerners are infiltrating it. I am a northerner and am proud of where I am from but, lately I am embarrassed. Let's go Flyers love hockey and hopefully there will be a NHL franchise where I move but, not a must. Maybe the Predators who knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by whodat2710 View Post
    Better idea - If you are receiving government assistance (welfare, housing, food stamps) you can't vote. It is an obvious conflict of interest. Get off the dole and get your vote back.
    I assume that's because you believe these people would vote democrat/socialist? So a wealthy person should also be prohibited because it's a conflict of interest as well? They would vote capitalism? That's what we do in America. We vote our interest. WHen the economy is bad we have more people on the dole who will vote their interest. That's the price of living in a free society/democracy.
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    That's never happening. Consider it would mean that seniors and disabled vets would be prohibited from voting. Remember, Andrew Cuomo as HUD secretary under Clinton tried to prohibit gun ownership by those living in public housing. He was unsuccessful. Consider the consequences of infringing any persons rights because he is poor, disabled or can't afford (gun) insurance. I think we should be required to show ID to vote. At least it's a start. But even that is met with a fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lessthan0 View Post
    Well put! I could not agree more!
    One thing I would add is that I am not talking about Social Security or Medicare since those were invested in, but those programs need a serious bit of management as well. The number of "disabled" people on Social Security has grown disproportionately, so there was probably a loophole written into the program to allow fraud to be easier, or those in charge of determining disability have been drinking the Kool-Aid. The reason the program is in jeopardy is not just too many baby-boomers retiring, it's too many people that didn't pay into the system that are taking out of it. I am not against helping those that can't help themselves, but I am against helping those who choose not to help themselves.

    We should also address the abuse of the medical system. Emergency rooms cannot turn people away for fear of lawsuits. People go to the emergency room for the sniffles so they don't have to pay. I don't know how to fix it, but it is BROKEN. Dr. Ben Carson gave the President some ideas at the National Prayer Breakfast though. If you haven't seen the speech please watch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    I assume that's because you believe these people would vote democrat/socialist? So a wealthy person should also be prohibited because it's a conflict of interest as well? They would vote capitalism? That's what we do in America. We vote our interest. WHen the economy is bad we have more people on the dole who will vote their interest. That's the price of living in a free society/democracy.
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    That's never happening. Consider it would mean that seniors and disabled vets would be prohibited from voting. Remember, Andrew Cuomo as HUD secretary under Clinton tried to prohibit gun ownership by those living in public housing. He was unsuccessful. Consider the consequences of infringing any persons rights because he is poor, disabled or can't afford (gun) insurance. I think we should be required to show ID to vote. At least it's a start. But even that is met with a fight.
    Wow, you're all over the place. Lets define "entitlements" and "hand-outs". If I earn a military pension, pay into Social Security, or pay into Medicare, it is an entitlement. If I do not work and I take your tax dollar that is a hand-out.

    As far as the rich and voting, we can easily fix that by addressing campaign finance. Contributing to the RNC, DNC or anyone else is bribery, and the more you contribute the more you expect in return. My fix would be to give every candidate for every election a limited amount of air-time commensurate to the size of the election. Include a debate or three. Anything else you can do on foot, door to door if you choose, or in local public venues. Don't give an incumbent the leverage of office with regards to the next election; they have a record to stand on which should be what determines whether they deserve re-election. If the CEO of GE wants to contribute, he can make signs. As far as capitalism, that is what makes us a great and prosperous country...what other option is there? Communism/Socialism/Fascism?

    Last point, we already take rights away from those who do something to warrant it. Felons and those dishonorably discharged from the military are a couple of examples. What if we made a law today that said "from now on, if you commit a felony or violent crime you are no longer eligible to receive hand-outs" Might that reduce crime?
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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    sir: if you are going to rant get your facts right, in FLA you can OC while fishing, hunting, camping and to and from a shooting range.

    as for gun rights we have it pretty darned good here in FLA, it is usually quick and easy to get a concealed carry permit and you do not need any kind of permit to own or possess any guns. I will take what we have here over what you have in PA any day of the week.
    you need to understand that FLA is a very large state that encompasses a lot of different political views. In south FLA you may as well be in the north east with all the retirees who have brought their liberal views with them, in the central parts things can swing either way and that is where the politicians are made or broken, here in NE FLA we are quite conservative except for the urban cesspools like jacksonville and out across the panhandle is solidly conservative except for the government worker filled areas around the capitol of tallahassee
    Because there is so much crime when you go fishing hunting or camping, right? What about in the cities? LOL

    This was my point... no state has it right except VT... no limitations...if you can buy a firearm, you can carry it any way you want. PA is very close to that, one may open carry or conceal carry (CC with a license first). This is why PA doesn't have as many licenses as FL. Between Pittsburgh and Filthadelphia, most everyone open carries and does not bother to get a license. However, it still has the license if you wish to CC, you can't open carry in Filthadelphia, and you must have the license to open carry while in car. Therefore, that's how my state infringes, just like FL infringes in some manners (you can't open carry in almost all avenues of your life), and every other state infringes besides VT.

    But you missed my bigger point, we're all Pro 2A here and we should realize that our states have something wrong by infringing on our 2A rights and we should also stop continually have a pissing contest on whose is the best because it is ridiculous, since they are all wrong to some degree (except VT). And since they are all wrong to some degree, that's what makes it a real hassle to travel from state to state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolf_fire View Post
    Because there is so much crime when you go fishing hunting or camping, right? What about in the cities? LOL

    This was my point... no state has it right except VT... no limitations...if you can buy a firearm, you can carry it any way you want. PA is very close to that, one may open carry or conceal carry (CC with a license first). This is why PA doesn't have as many licenses as FL. Between Pittsburgh and Filthadelphia, most everyone open carries and does not bother to get a license. However, it still has the license if you wish to CC, you can't open carry in Filthadelphia, and you must have the license to open carry while in car. Therefore, that's how my state infringes, just like FL infringes in some manners (you can't open carry in almost all avenues of your life), and every other state infringes besides VT.

    But you missed my bigger point, we're all Pro 2A here and we should realize that our states have something wrong by infringing on our 2A rights and we should also stop continually have a pissing contest on whose is the best because it is ridiculous, since they are all wrong to some degree (except VT). And since they are all wrong to some degree, that's what makes it a real hassle to travel from state to state.
    Florida's highest crime rates are also in the areas that voted blue in the last two elections. That should tell you something right there.

    And as far as njsportsman's comment about northerners invading SC/NC, they felt the same way about about Floridians 30 years ago in some of the areas.
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  8. just sad

    All I can say is I live in Texas. I carry daily and also hold a FFL. I read about northern states and it is like reading something from a different country. Americans- several it appears, seem to have forgotten what freedom and sovereignty is all about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whodat2710 View Post
    Wow, you're all over the place. Lets define "entitlements" and "hand-outs". If I earn a military pension, pay into Social Security, or pay into Medicare, it is an entitlement. If I do not work and I take your tax dollar that is a hand-out.

    Last point, we already take rights away from those who do something to warrant it. Felons and those dishonorably discharged from the military are a couple of examples. What if we made a law today that said "from now on, if you commit a felony or violent crime you are no longer eligible to receive hand-outs" Might that reduce crime?
    Yes. I believe you should be drug tested to get your check. But there are some people on welfare or SSI / Medicaid who are there because of reasons out of their control. A disabled young person who hasn't yet paid into the system should not be penalized by taking away his right to vote just because it's a handout. Plenty of legitimate disability out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S&W645 View Post
    Florida's highest crime rates are also in the areas that voted blue in the last two elections. That should tell you something right there.

    And as far as njsportsman's comment about northerners invading SC/NC, they felt the same way about about Floridians 30 years ago in some of the areas.
    My wife's family is from West Palm. I spend a lot of time there. Other than close friends and family, no one even knows I'm from NY.
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    Regarding the blue state / crime connection it seems to be true. My hometown in NYS was just named the ninth most dangerous city in America by the FBI. And of course they vote democrat/socialism/entitlements.
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  11. I think we vote for a fare shake. There is enough free education to get you to a college level you just want to have to go. I grew up in Philadelphia and the neighborhood public school you didn't go to but, I knew a girl that had no choice because that is where her parents sent her. she was an honor student and now is a paralegal so, before you give me most public schools have a bad learning environment it can be done. You just have to want it. I mean look at Dr. Carson. It's not about welfare or handouts or depriving anyone the right to live. It is for the ones who truly need it. It was meant to be an aide to help people get back on their feet and not an occupation. Their are people who need it permanently (vets, the disabled etc) but there are people just simply milking the system and that is what needs to go away.

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