Quote Originally Posted by JCliff View Post
A fundamental premise of the (so-called) liberal progressive position is that the human condition is perfectible. If enough control can be exerted to eliminate “bad” ideas and “bad” things, a “perfect” society is attainable (no crime, no want, no injustice, no inequalities, etc.). Therefore you have the statist position where no power should be withheld from the state in order to achieve these things.
Until that "bad" country invades and we are all defenseless.

Quote Originally Posted by JCliff View Post
This is in contradiction to the position that the human condition is inherently flawed, and cannot be made perfect by the actions of other inherently flawed human beings. I personally have not found a single instance in all of recorded human history that refutes this latter position. Our Founding Fathers fully recognized the true nature of the human condition, which is why they constructed a constitutional republic, with a government of limited authority, with many checks and balances, in order to provide for liberty and prevent tyranny amongst inherently flawed human beings.
You are so right that the human condition is inherently flawed.