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  1. Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    Not true.


    Then link to a couple or three of such stories where a freakin' grocery-store manager who is only worth $100 bucks (a week? an hour? a year?) is getting $1000 bucks and can still hand out payola such as Superbowl tickets, buy memberships at clubs that are so exclusive that his hand-picked board of directors keep the payola flowin' just to get a recommendation from him etc. The analogy Spence offered was so ridiculous that only a neo-leftist could "get the case he makes!" And it was a complete, 100% hypothetical. It bore no resemblance to anything real.



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    Some still won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevie Albert View Post
    He tries to make it simple so any idiot can get it.
    Some still won't.
    Ah, I see. Well, if you want simple economics for idiots, why didn't you just say so? Corporations have much less to do with it than the government, that is for sure. Here's your idiot-proof lesson for today:

    Some stats about our federal government:

    U.S. Tax revenue: $2,565,000,000,000
    Fed budget: $3,584,000,000,000
    New debt: $ 1,020,000,000,000
    National debt: $16,832,000,000,000
    Recent budget cuts: $ 33,000,000,000

    Remove 8 zeros and pretend it's a household budget:

    Annual family income: $25,650
    Money the family spent: $35,840
    New debt on the credit card: $10,200
    Outstanding balance on the credit card: $168,320
    Total budget cuts: $330

    Those numbers were just juxtaposed by me from the current National Debt Clock, rounded to the nearest billion.

    When you can explain how those numbers will ever balance, then I'll give a listen to your ad hominems against rich corporate-types. Taking every single penny they both make and have already made wouldn't amount to a single pebble on a sandy beach towards balancing our truly suicidal economy.

    And all you can worry about is how much corporations pay their corporate officers? I'll bet you're a real home-run-hitter in the Small Ball League, eh?

    Government is the problem. Corporate corruption is nothing more than a symptom of the disease that government is, or an extension of government corruption if you prefer. The money to impose tyranny upon a formerly free people has to come from somewhere. Since the day the Constitution was ratified, various Framers warned against the central banking system that funds the kind of government they, themselves, defeated in the name of individual liberty:

    I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground; that 'all powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are preserved to the states or to the people.' ... To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition. The incorporation of a bank, and the powers assumed by this bill (chartering the first Bank of the United States), have not been delegated to the United States by the Constitution.

    Source: in opposition to the chartering of the first Bank of the United States (1791).
    And....

    If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.

    Source: Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
    The Federal Reserve and the government that chartered it are incalculable in their influence on the loss of liberty in this country. Overpaid preppies, trust-fund-babies and country-club types are insignificant to it. You could wipe out every single corrupt corporate officer alive today, and this country would still be heading at break-neck speed towards the crash that printing money out of thin air will inevitably cause.

    It doesn't really surprise me that you don't get it though. A Democrat/liberal who considers himself a 2nd Amendment supporter proves by his very affiliations that he has trouble identifying who his real enemies are. Enjoy your delusions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    ......When you can explain how those numbers will ever balance, then I'll give a listen to your ad hominems against rich corporate-types. Taking every single penny they both make and have already made wouldn't amount to a single pebble on a sandy beach towards balancing our truly suicidal economy.

    Government is the problem. Corporate corruption is nothing more than a symptom of the disease that government is, or an extension of government corruption if you prefer. The money to impose tyranny upon a formerly free people has to come from somewhere. Since the day the Constitution was ratified, various Framers warned against the central banking system that funds the kind of government they, themselves, defeated in the name of individual liberty.

    It doesn't really surprise me that you don't get it though. A Democrat/liberal who considers himself a 2nd Amendment supporter proves by his very affiliations that he has trouble identifying who his real enemies are. Enjoy your delusions.

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    If anyone needs a lesson on how screwed up a government can get, try New York State. Run by liberal dems right into the ground. I live in a very rural area. I have a well, septic tank, no cable TV available (satellite dish only), my broadband is a 3G air-card (for which Verizon charges an arm and a leg), etc., etc.. Now get ready for this one ...... my property taxes are $7600 per year !!! I'm not even going to get into the rest of the baloney around here (esp. gun laws). Why is it like this ? Well, maybe because the state's 2 largest employers are the government and teachers. Hmmm, both paid for by the taxpayer. It's like a giant perpetual motion liberal machine, but it's a machine that can't sustain itself forever. More than 1.6 million New Yorkers moved out of state between 2000 and 2010. The latest US Census, showed that for the second consecutive decade, New York was the country’s favorite place to leave. This exodus has taken $97 billion in adjusted gross income and largely sent it to southern states. When I look at a situation like this, I see the people left behind having to shoulder an ever increasing load of debt. This is a very hard place to try and retire in. Myself ? Over the last couple years I've divested myself of all my real estate holdings, sold my business and have just placed my primary residence on the market. After 62 years of living here, I too am going to join the exodus.
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    I dont see where race has anything to do with the gun control debate. Some people see race in every decision, conversation, or situation involving mankind. Frankly, I am tired of hearing about it and being blamed for all the worlds problems. If you want to be my brother, come stand next to me. If not, leave me alone either way your color is unimportant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief1297 View Post
    I dont see where race has anything to do with the gun control debate. Some people see race in every decision, conversation, or situation involving mankind. Frankly, I am tired of hearing about it and being blamed for all the worlds problems. If you want to be my brother, come stand next to me. If not, leave me alone either way your color is unimportant.
    Chief, race ends up being involved whether you want it to or not. Problem is, no one who is relevant is talking about that part of the problem.

    Nearly all gun violence is performed by African-Americans and Hispanics (both white and black). Most people outside of the inner cities really don't care, because most of the violence is to people of their own color, and between each other. As long as most of the violence is contained in the pockets of lawlessness created by LBJ's "Great Society" and his "War on Poverty", that part of the problem will never be addressed.

    As the violence is generally encapsulated in the inner cities, where few people go other than those that live there, the American left will let the crime continue. They control the conversation, and they are not talking about race (in the gun control debate), as it does not suit their purpose. (Though Juan Williams is a liberal, he no longer belongs to their club, he was kicked out some time ago. He is now a token liberal kept by Fox News, like Bob Beckel and Alan Colmes, men who though liberal are no longer welcomed by their side.) They take the raw real stats from inner-city violence, paint a picture of that violence all taking place in schools, theaters, etc, by right-wing nut jobs, and continue to try to take OUR guns. Once they get OUR guns, the rest is pretty simple....they will have the police shoot the gun-toting criminals down in the streets. Who will complain? And what if they do.....armed with only pitchforks and ball bats?
    "I don't think that a society that encourages over a million abortions a year....a society that kills out of convenience, i.e., Jack Kevorkian, can not have consequences." --Rush Limbaugh

  7. we have Obama phones, now lets agree to Obama Guns!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fstroupe View Post
    Chief, race ends up being involved whether you want it to or not. Problem is, no one who is relevant is talking about that part of the problem.

    Nearly all gun violence is performed by African-Americans and Hispanics (both white and black). Most people outside of the inner cities really don't care, because most of the violence is to people of their own color, and between each other. As long as most of the violence is contained in the pockets of lawlessness created by LBJ's "Great Society" and his "War on Poverty", that part of the problem will never be addressed.

    As the violence is generally encapsulated in the inner cities, where few people go other than those that live there, the American left will let the crime continue. They control the conversation, and they are not talking about race (in the gun control debate), as it does not suit their purpose. (Though Juan Williams is a liberal, he no longer belongs to their club, he was kicked out some time ago. He is now a token liberal kept by Fox News, like Bob Beckel and Alan Colmes, men who though liberal are no longer welcomed by their side.) They take the raw real stats from inner-city violence, paint a picture of that violence all taking place in schools, theaters, etc, by right-wing nut jobs, and continue to try to take OUR guns. Once they get OUR guns, the rest is pretty simple....they will have the police shoot the gun-toting criminals down in the streets. Who will complain? And what if they do.....armed with only pitchforks and ball bats?
    You explanation sounds very articulate and educated and I am sure that in some ways, it does make sense in someone else’s world. I understand that black on black violence doesnt get white folks stirred up. In my world, color doesnt enter into the equation because I really dont care. The only reason it does is because we make it so. As a simple white guy with a simple mind, there is no difference between who kills who or why. Blacks kill blacks and no one cares. Whites kill blacks and the penalties are stiffer because it is now a hate crime. Blacks kill whites and it is a product of their environment. Use whatever explanation you want or whatever any shrink will tell you. Nature vs nuture, ying versus yang, it is all BS. Color is brought into it because we choose to make it part of the issue. We cant be too hard on gun violence because we will be punishing people of color at a higher percentage. This is what society would have you believe. Once again, I really and truly don’t care because common sense cant or wont be used because some yahoo came from a broken home or didn’t get enough hugs as a child. We are no longer a nation of accountability so we use every excuse in the book to justify why someone did what they did. Just being evil is no longer an explanation in today’s PC environment. I just read where Major Nidal Hasan has now been paid more than $278,000 since the Nov. 5, 2009 shooting. Now that is a travesty. Of course, we cant just kill him because his religion made him do it...yet another excuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chief1297 View Post
    in my world, color doesnt enter into the equation because i really dont care.
    lol ...........
    "I don't think that a society that encourages over a million abortions a year....a society that kills out of convenience, i.e., Jack Kevorkian, can not have consequences." --Rush Limbaugh

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