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    Live in Reality

    Gun owners constantly argue over calibers. Far as I'm concerned there is only one caliber that is almost useless, that is the .25 acp. People seem to think that bad guys are tougher than wild hogs to bring down when they are actually very easy to stop. The human body does not like ANY foreign object to enter it with brutal force. So lets stop trying to kid people that some bullet calibers are useless. Everyone keeps saying I would not want to take a shot from a .22LR pistol, yet they believe that criminals will laugh at you if shot with one. NO criminal wants to be shot any more than you do. Any bullet entering your body is doing damage.
    If that .22 round hits your heart or brain you are gone. So lets just realize that shot placement is where it's at. If you put 5 quick shots in center mass with a .22 you are doing a lot of damage. If you put 1 or 2 shots in center mass from any larger caliber there is also a lot of damage happening.

    Sure there are those 2% of times where people take rounds which would seemingly bring them down and they keep fighting. But the majority of time, you put rounds in center mass and they are stopped.

    So use what ever caliber you want, but keep in mind that any bullet can kill you with the right shot placement.



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    I would go so far as to say in most situations just shooting at them even if you don't hit them will make them go the other way.

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    Live in Reality

    My choice to not carry a .22 is rooted in my experience with the reliability of the cartridge. I do not want to take the chance of having a FTF, FTE, FTC. Even with reputable ammunition. Ever since the passage of the ridiculous legislation here in CT, my main carry caliber has been and will remain .45ACP.
    Guns.??? What Guns???

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    I think that is true. At least with someone that has an ounce of sense.

  6. That's not an ounce of sense; it's only 230 grains of sense.

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    I follow a 4 step approach:
    First, I point my fist at them pretending it's a gun and say, "Stop, or I'll shoot." If that doesn't work ...
    Second, I pull my single-shot 22 short and shoot into the ground. If they keep coming ...
    Third, I flash my .38 J-frame stainless gleaming BUG at them. And finally ...
    Fourth, I burn them down with double or triple taps of 200 grain +P from my G30.

    Actually, if the truth be known, I generally skip steps 1 through 3.

    Most information on this forum is good to consider, some of the information will get you killed. Yes, definitely live in reality.

  8. effectiveness of the round and shot placement accuracy plays the big part. The smaller caliber of a .22 is therefore more critical in accuracy, most of which will be compromised under stress. Damage with larger calibers will compensate for the most part and therefore is preferable for any self defense use.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by cluznar View Post
    Gun owners constantly argue over calibers. Far as I'm concerned there is only one caliber that is almost useless, that is the .25 acp. People seem to think that bad guys are tougher than wild hogs to bring down when they are actually very easy to stop. The human body does not like ANY foreign object to enter it with brutal force. So lets stop trying to kid people that some bullet calibers are useless. Everyone keeps saying I would not want to take a shot from a .22LR pistol, yet they believe that criminals will laugh at you if shot with one. NO criminal wants to be shot any more than you do. Any bullet entering your body is doing damage.
    If that .22 round hits your heart or brain you are gone. So lets just realize that shot placement is where it's at. If you put 5 quick shots in center mass with a .22 you are doing a lot of damage. If you put 1 or 2 shots in center mass from any larger caliber there is also a lot of damage happening.

    Sure there are those 2% of times where people take rounds which would seemingly bring them down and they keep fighting. But the majority of time, you put rounds in center mass and they are stopped.

    So use what ever caliber you want, but keep in mind that any bullet can kill you with the right shot placement.


    Alright, I'll agree that a .22 can kill ya. You'll be no more dead from a bigger caliber. That's not the issue with caliber selection.

    First off, has the OP been IN a gunfight? I personally have not, but I have spoken to several people that HAVE, including the inventor of ballistics gelatin. The point of a defensive weapon is NOT to kill the target. Everyone I think can pretty well agree on that. If they happen to die in the process, that's too bad for them. The idea of a defensive shoot is to STOP the bad guy from being a threat. In this frame of mind, you would shoot only until the threat has stopped. I will contest to you, after having spoken to multiple people who have been literally shot by a .22, that a .22 is insufficient for this purpose. In fact, one could argue that by using a .22, your chances of killing the target before you stop the target are greater.

    You also have to realize that in a gun fight, every SECOND that the attacker is not stopped, even if they are a dead man walking, is another opportunity they have to take you with them. I've heard of people getting shot in the head, through the BRAIN, with a pistol caliber, and they continue to fight. A .22 is even more likely to have this happen. So, fine... if you're a hit man, go ahead and use .22s, you only need to kill them after all. But if you're more concerned with STOPPING them, use one of the 4 major auto cartridges (9, 40, 45, 357sig) with a decent hollow point bullet. Chances are better that you'll both live. With a .22, there's a good chance he'll kill you long after you've killed him.

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    I read an interesting article (I will look for it to post a link) that spoke of the "last thirty seconds".
    During a gun fight, with the adrenaline dump, people have been shot and continued to fight.
    There are accounts of people shot in the heart that have had their "last thirty seconds" to do damage to you.
    Paladin Press had put out a video that covered this subject. Some of the examples used were quite sobering.
    Your blood still contains oxygen as well as your organs that combined with adrenalin, would allow to continue for those magic "last thirty seconds".
    It happened with the FBI Miami shootout.


    Sent from behind enemy lines.

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    in the wise words of one of my SD instructors, don't be bashful, keep shooting until he stops being a threat.
    which brings us into the world of these idiot mag limits. but that's for another thread

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