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    Quote Originally Posted by frijoli View Post
    Point is guys, these shootings are happening.
    No one wants anyone to be hurt "accidentally" or otherwise. Look at the number of these incidents, and the dates. They are happening multiple times PER day. This doesn't help the people injured, nor the 2A causes.
    the real point is if you follow the cardinal rules of handling a firearm you should never have an accident.
    if I touch a weapon the very first thing that I do is make sure it is clear, I don't care if it is my gun and I just set it down for a moment, if it is out of my hands for a second the moment I pick it up I make sure it is safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rehalfacre View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't believe in accidental guns going off. It's negligent plain and simple. A gun is an object that takes the operator to make it go bang!!
    Yeah, like these people who shoot someone and then say "The gun just went off". Don't you just hate it when these damned guns just go off all by themselves and kill and injure people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Protious View Post
    Too much carelessness. Maybe a firearms safety course and certification should required before anyone can be allowed to purchase a firearm.
    People need to remember to make sure the gun is unloaded before showing it to a friend and before it is stored. I also agree that a gun safety course should be offered in our schools along with health and P.E..
    This brain dead foolishness needs to stop, it makes the rest of us who are careful look bad and adds fuel to the arguments of the liberal gun grabbers.
    Our state Government spends a fair amount of money to remind people that seatbelts save lives, maybe some of that money should be spent to remind people
    to safety (unload) and properly store our firearms.
    I agree that firearms safety courses should be taught in our schools. But I don't agree with any "infringement" to the Second Amendment. And that is what you're calling for in the bold part of your post.
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    Not one of the incidents listed on the first page of the website was an "accident." They were all negligent discharges, at best.

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    That website it kind of misleading. The first several items are all listed with May 23 dates,yet the actual events were spread over many different dates, as far back as April.

    I suspect the dates shown on the page are when the they were posted to the site. Rather disingenuous, don't you think?

    "Negligent" vs "Accidental" - yeah, it's all a word game. When I had the additional duty of unit safety officer in the Air Force, I investigated and reported on "Mishaps". Which would be attributed to negligence, faulty procedure, faulty training, equipment failure...but the word "accident" was not in the lexicon.

    (For the nitpickers, yes, the AF does convene "Accident Investigation Boards", but they investigate mishaps.)
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by rehalfacre View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't believe in accidental guns going off. It's negligent plain and simple. A gun is an object that takes the operator to make it go bang!!
    Right there with you!

    The word 'Accident' is way over used. If I backed into your car in a parking lot, that's not an 'accident'. I may have done it unintentionally, but that makes it an act of negligence. In that case, I wrecked your car by being stupid. An 'accident' is a tree limb falling on your car or a tire in useable condition blowing out while you are going down the road. In other words, things beyond human control.

    The way I see it, a gun firing when it wasn't suppose to is the same way. If it breaks in some way and fires, it's an accidental discharge- the first time it happens. I wouldn't load a gun that just fired in that manner any more than I'd drive a vehicle that just had the brake pedal go to the floor and wouldn't stop. The second time it occurs, it's negligence. Any time some human does something they shouldn't have- or they should have know better than doing- then it's a 'negligent discharge'.

    The tried and true, 'I didn't know it was loaded,' excuse is something that just bugs the crap out of me for so many reasons.

    I was taught that when you pick up a gun- ANY gun- you clear it and verify it's unloaded. If you hand me a gun, I clear it. (Of course, if I actually take it from you, you will have already cleared it and it's in a cleared and action open condition before it ever touches my hand because otherwise, I ain't taking it.) If I pull a gun out of a case or the safe, or anywhere else, I clear it. It doesn't matter that I'm the only one with the combination to the safe or if I just put it in the case 5 minutes ago and it hasn't been out of my sight the whole time, I check the chamber and clear the action. When in doubt, I check the magazine (if it has one) and the chamber(s). If it leaves my hand, it gets cleared when I pick it back up. If that means I check it 3 times in 5 minutes, then that's what I do.

    Second, you don't point a gun at ANYTHING that you don't want to shoot. Period. Without exception. That means, not at the dog, TV, your car, etc ... If you wouldn't want a bullet hole in it, then don't point the gun at it. It's just that simple.

    And what's with keeping live ammo around when cleaning a gun? I was always taught to keep it away from the cleaning solvents and such because it could potentially penetrate the round via the primer pocket and contaminate the ammunition causing a misfire. (Depending on what you use and how much you use of it, it is a possibility.) Besides, as far as I'm concerned it being around just adds to the clutter and I've never been one to borrow trouble because it's also just one more thing that could fall, get scattered or generally get screwed up or in the way. You strip it, clean it, lube it and test the action a couple times to make sure you didn't screw up putting it back together. After that, you wipe off any excess lube that may have seeped out while testing the action and THEN you start thinking about reloading it.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by frijoli View Post
    Point is guys, these shootings are happening.
    No one wants anyone to be hurt "accidentally" or otherwise. Look at the number of these incidents, and the dates. They are happening multiple times PER day. This doesn't help the people injured, nor the 2A causes.
    Exactly my point. Most of these are at least partially due to careless gun owners. But others are kids who don't know what to do if they see a gun. NRA's Eddie Eagle program has some good material, but the basics are simple to teach to any age:
    STOP!
    Don't Touch.
    Leave the Area.
    Tell an Adult.

    That much should be taught in schools.

    As for the gun owners themselves, all need to think safety a bit more. Even those of us who think we are always safe. Occasionally we need to stop and consciously think about everything we do with our weapons: storage, handling, showing off our new tool to someone who hasn't touched a gun before and think about whether there is room for improvement.

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    As long as their are people on this Earth, there will be stupid ones. Stupid people kill themselves and others with guns through negligence. No way around it unless there are no people.

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