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  1. Yes, Cave Junction IS remote, never has had good protection by LE. Yes, as well, police budgets seem to be the first to get cut, and the most deeply. I am convinced it is done this way as a means of "punishing" the people for the reduced tax revenues being paid into the sick system. Yes, once more, the locals need to get HOT about HOOW their high tax dollars are being allocated. Public safety IS a high priority. Plenty of other places could be easily cut......

    Now the guy in the next county over.. Medford: his home was being broken into at near midnight, by a wanted felon (though he did not know it at the time, he DID know a concerted effort was being made to bust down his door). He hollered and threatened to shoot.. the perp continued his attack. He did fire one warning round... being careful enough to make certain it went safe and did no harm. Plenty of places even in an apartment complex to do this. No, he didn't just point it anywhere. He was aware of his backdrop and bullet path. What, should he have waited for the guy to succeed, come into his house, THEN blast him, probably with far less chance of controlling bullet path in case of miss or passing through? Criminally charged for defending his own person whilst INSIDE his home? Anyone having borken into, or in the act of the attempt to break into, an occupied dwelling is a candidate for the use of lethal force against him.
    Medford was also the scene of a nasty case a couple years ago, where sheriffs from both Jackson and Josephine COunties, a few city cops, State Patrol, all "visited" an innocent man early in the morning, full SWAT teams, forced him at gunpoint to be taken in for a psych eval (which lasted an hour and a half, he wass found "normal" and releaaed), stole his guns and held them for a long time, forcing him to fight to get them back. WHY? His boss at work decided to persecute him by filing a warning with local LE, who failed to check it out, just got a warrant and went with it. Talk about a man's rights being violated..... seems those two counties have a penchant for rotten choices. Have enough to roll a SWAT team and at least FIVE LEA on a harmless man, yet don't have enough to roll when a man is breaking down someone's door to come in and assault her. Sick.

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    I just listened to Thompson tell his story on Sean Hannity. He stated that the perp tried to kick his door in, but left when verbally challenged and tried to break into another door. Thompson verbally challenged the perp again, AND ATTEMPTED TO DETAIN THE HIM. He stated that it was at this time that he fired the warning shot. If the guy was threatening him at all, it was in an effort to get away.

    He would have most likely not have had a problem if he hadn't fired the WARNING shot, admitting that he was not in fear for his, or anyone else's, safety.
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  4. #23
    It is interesting to note that the sheriffs from both Jackson and Josephine Counties are CSPOA signatories.

    Growing List of Sheriffs, Associations and Police Chiefs Saying ?NO? to Obama Gun Control | CSPOA - Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association
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    ***** needs to defy gravity and slide up hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by gejoslin View Post
    Oregon woman raped after police refuse to send out response unit

    Local police in Oregon, USA fail to respond to emergency calls and advise residents to "consider relocating to an area with adequate police services"

    by The Commentator on 28 May 2013 11:08



    A woman was choked and raped following a 911 call to police in which the dispatcher told her to ask her attacker to "go away".
    The incident, which occured late last August but was only widely reported last week, took place in Josephine County, Oregon, when a woman's ex-boyfriend tried to break into her home.
    Instead of sending an officer to the scene, the police dispatcher advised, “I don’t have anybody to send out there. You know, obviously, if he comes inside the residence and assaults you, can you ask him to go away? Do you know if he’s intoxicated or anything?”
    The man eventually forced entry to the house, wherein he proceeded to "brutally rape" the woman before fleeing. After the attack, police went in search for 29-year-old Michael Bellah, and arrested him.
    The Sheriff's Department blamed the lack of resources due to recent public funding cuts. “There isn’t a day go by that we don’t have another victim,” said Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson. In Josephine County, 80 percent of sheriff’s deputies lost their jobs when the cuts were made. The few that remain cannot respond to emergency calls during the evening or on weekends.
    “How is it that there were no officers available to assist the woman who was about be raped, but they did have officers available to go and arrest the man after the rape? The police department should be sued for their failure to protect a tax paying citizen,” Julia Mason, 28, of Portland, Oregon said after she was asked what she thought about the police who failed to help a woman who was about to become a rape victim.
    After the government budget cuts, which occurred before the rape incident, Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson said in a press release that victims of domestic violence should "consider relocating to an area with adequate police services."
    Bellah was charged with Kidnapping, sex abuse, stangulation and theft among other things. His bail was set at $437,500.
    Oregon woman raped after police refuse to send out response unit - The Commentator
    "The Sheriff's Department blamed the lack of resources due to recent public funding cuts. “There isn’t a day go by that we don’t have another victim,” said Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson. In Josephine County, 80 percent of sheriff’s deputies lost their jobs when the cuts were made. The few that remain cannot respond to emergency calls during the evening or on weekends."
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    One would have to ask themselves, WHY would the remaining deputies not be scheduled to cover when more crimes are committed than not.
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    We are unsure of how many actual deputies were let go and how many are still on duty as percentages can be deceiving and made to tell only the story you want published. That said it is the duty of the sheriff to schedule this staff in such a manner to be available when criminal activity is more likely to occur than not occur. This not being the case here in my mind this sheriff should be held personally accountable for mismanagement of his staff and dereliction of his duties to the public welfare of his county population.
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    I listened to the 911 call the other day and victim was way too calm for what was going on and she had made the dispatcher aware that this was not the first time she was having trouble with her boyfriend breaking into the house. The state patrol was called and provided no better response than the sheriffs office. It seems the LEA of that area have no desire and/or intention of providing any help to the citizens in need of assistance. Yet we have a general consensus provided by the MSM "all you need to do is call the police you have not need to be able to protect yourself", when the LEAs have all been given a pass by SCOTUS on their responsibility to protect and serve.
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    I find myself in a turmoil regarding LEA response or lack there of to help a female, no anyone who is in fear of harm by the hands of another. My moral character is offended by there total lack of disregard for another humans plight in their time of need.
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    Now let's turn to the government entity who defunded the sheriff's office instead of some other entity that would not have directly effected the safety and welfare of their citizens. To my thinking the criminally minded are going to see the lack of law enforcement coverage as an open invitation to run rampant doing as they want. This not being apparent to those in power who defunded the sheriff's office leads me to think they a all bloom idiots, who should also be held accountable this woman's attach and violation by a violent criminal.
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    This guy has the right idea...
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  7. My wife recently purchased a .38 special and we went to the range for some break-in time and drills. Wash, rinse, repeat. Wash, rinse, repeat.

    She cannot rack a slide, even on small semis, so a wheel gun it had to be. She is improving every visit. She said she was scared recently, when I was away (before the wheel gun purchase), even though a long gun was available, but she was scared of it, even though I let her shoot it at a long distance range. Looks mean, I suppose. Won't touch it.

    I worry that my wife will not be able to defend herself, if the unthinkable happens, and it almost did, hence her need for a self defense sidearm.

    My wife is the type of person who will stop and help a terrapin cross the road, put herself in danger swerving to miss a squirrel (which she sometimes hits anyway), and she will help others, even if it is a burden to herself financially, or time wise.

    I don't think she has the mindset to do what is necessary, to protect her life. All I may do is forward these and other stories of women being brutally raped and murdered to her (and I don't send that many) just often enough so it is in the back of her mind.

    Our sheriff is a gung-ho crime buster, teaches CC classes, and pro 2nd, all the way.

    My wife has no desire to carry, so I respect that. Her .38 is a night stand gun.

    There are those who cannot halt violence with violence. I understand it is their decision, and may cost them their lives one day, or not, but I still worry about my wife.

    Does anyone else worry about theirs?

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    Every day and every way. Teaching her to shoot, now for permit. If act746 is what they say it is she won't need it. We'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r1derbike View Post
    My wife recently purchased a .38 special and we went to the range for some break-in time and drills. Wash, rinse, repeat. Wash, rinse, repeat.

    She cannot rack a slide, even on small semis, so a wheel gun it had to be. She is improving every visit. She said she was scared recently, when I was away (before the wheel gun purchase), even though a long gun was available, but she was scared of it, even though I let her shoot it at a long distance range. Looks mean, I suppose. Won't touch it.

    I worry that my wife will not be able to defend herself, if the unthinkable happens, and it almost did, hence her need for a self defense sidearm.

    My wife is the type of person who will stop and help a terrapin cross the road, put herself in danger swerving to miss a squirrel (which she sometimes hits anyway), and she will help others, even if it is a burden to herself financially, or time wise.

    I don't think she has the mindset to do what is necessary, to protect her life. All I may do is forward these and other stories of women being brutally raped and murdered to her (and I don't send that many) just often enough so it is in the back of her mind.

    Our sheriff is a gung-ho crime buster, teaches CC classes, and pro 2nd, all the way.

    My wife has no desire to carry, so I respect that. Her .38 is a night stand gun.

    There are those who cannot halt violence with violence. I understand it is their decision, and may cost them their lives one day, or not, but I still worry about my wife.

    Does anyone else worry about theirs?
    Maybe the tragedies you're sending her are literally unthinkable to her. If they haven't convinced her, try the opposite. Try sending her cases of where a gun actually saved a woman from being raped or murdered. The name of the web site isn't coming to me right now, but maybe someone else on here can help. They've got new stories almost every day of cases like this. Worth a try.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Peggy Reist View Post
    Maybe the tragedies you're sending her are literally unthinkable to her. If they haven't convinced her, try the opposite. Try sending her cases of where a gun actually saved a woman from being raped or murdered. The name of the web site isn't coming to me right now, but maybe someone else on here can help. They've got new stories almost every day of cases like this. Worth a try.
    I'll do some research on that angle! Thanks!

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    r1der when the time comes she may surprise you with a response that is completely out of character to her norm. It often takes the individual to be face to face with a unthinkable situation before they come to the realization that it can happen to them. No amount of pushing you your part will effect a response like the real thing. I pray she never has to be in that situation and hope you will cut back on the worrying or you won't be around long enough to enjoy your life with your wife. Stress can and will kill you just a effectively as a firearm it just takes longer. God Bless you both.
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