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  1. Fact Vinny was a big guy, who raised some terror around these parts. Fact, Vinny was sitting in his car messing with the taser before the group of guys approached the car. Fact, both Bolaski boys fired shots, the younger one shot the .22 into the ground as warning shots. The issue not stated in the papers were that there were younger kids present at the time of this. A coworker of mine witnessed all this go down, and said"atleast they were smart to shoot away from people" Yeah, real smart. Okay, someone comes running at you with an ax, umm I run, not run to a truck to grab a rifle which you brought, and loaded in your truck. I see bad things happening with this to come. Vinny's brother is CT, from the Real World series on MTV. He is a pretty hot headed person. CT lived in this area for awhile, so he knows people in the area. Hopefully Vinny's family will let justice take place, instead of revenge.

    Hopefully the group of guys who beat this man by kicking him after he was shot, and laying down get to serve some time. This is small town Vermont, and some of the people in this area think they are 'ganster'...wish they would just pack up and move to an inner city somewhere. It's a shame with all parties involved that it had to lead to this.

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  3. Going back to another post earlier from someone else saying in the police did there job the night before, maybe this wouldn't have happened. The police in this area are more worried about catching speeders, and busting balls for campfires than dealing with the local drug issues, or getting these people off the street. When the Springfield Police Department has a no confidence vote going agaisnt their Chief, something needs to be done.

  4. This situation is tragic. I would be interested to know more about the shooter's background. Not everyone is capable of de-escalation, but a civilised society demands it.

    We see it all the time. Some situations are life and death, and someone acts upon it. Once the life and death situation iis over, we must know how to turn it off. If we can't de-escalate, we should not carry deadly weapons. You see cops hitting people in handcuffs (or worse), because they have forgotten all that de-escalation training they received in the academy. Both LEO's and armed civilians have to remember the importance of when to stop the chase, and turn off the fight. There are very few situations where 'hunting to kill' your adversary is justified (ie. taking child hostages, active shooters, rampage killers).

    I have mixed feelings with the 2nd degre murder charge, because I think that is a bit much. The victim did bring a deadly weapon, and he started the fight on his terms. I see a manslaughter conviction in this guy's near future.

    A very sad, sad situation.

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    Tiger55 where you from? Are from across the river from me? Springfield VT? I am in Claremont NH... Yes this whole thing is sad i have read that people have said that the brothers where trouble as well. They got in fights and some one said they dealt drugs but thats all hearsay as i was not there and i do not know them. About the Springfield police yes they are not the best cops they like to pull over speeders and not much more.. I think they should retrain the whole department and test the chef as well.. About his family as i said before even if he gets off he will still end up losing almost every thing he has in CiV court with the lawsuits that are to come. I hope his family lets it be but who knows they may kill the young brother or have him beat up. But thats starting to sound like a action movie. I think they will just let it be.

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  6. Unhappy Innocent or Guilty

    I believe that the first round could absolutely be considered as self defense.
    The fact that this individual pursued the assailant with a weapon, shot him again and then hit him in the head with the rifle butt portray that the victim had become the aggressor. Whether this occurred as a result of an adrenal rush or hate shouldn't matter, this definitely crossed the line.
    Unless the victim was chasing down the aggressor to help stop the leg wound from bleeding and the aggressor turned on him again there would be no reason or excuse for any further conflict.
    I would say that this person is guilty, at least of involuntary manslaughter or second degree murder.
    He should have let the guy be unless he hopped up in front of everyone and tried using the pick axe on him again. Too bad, he went from defense victim to murderer in two foul swoops.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by S&WM&P40 View Post
    Tiger55 where you from? Are from across the river from me? Springfield VT? I am in Claremont NH... Yes this whole thing is sad i have read that people have said that the brothers where trouble as well. They got in fights and some one said they dealt drugs but thats all hearsay as i was not there and i do not know them. About the Springfield police yes they are not the best cops they like to pull over speeders and not much more.. I think they should retrain the whole department and test the chef as well.. About his family as i said before even if he gets off he will still end up losing almost every thing he has in CiV court with the lawsuits that are to come. I hope his family lets it be but who knows they may kill the young brother or have him beat up. But thats starting to sound like a action movie. I think they will just let it be.
    Yes I'm across the river from you(or down the road however you look at it) I'm born and raised a Springer, but staying in Charlestown for the time being. I've also heard about drugs being an issue, and drugs were part of the drama that led up to some of this months before.(Hearsay of course).

    I've heard Bolaski was bailed out last week. Hopefully he is smart enough to educate his sidekicks on what NOT to do. The local paper (RutlandHerald dot com) has some interesting comments on articles about this case. Both coming from families of both parties involved, and folks like us.

  8. #27
    UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    CHESTER -- The second -- and fatal -- shot that killed Vinny Tamburello last Sunday evening on a ball field in Chester was fired into his lower back and not his belly as first reported, Vermont's Chief Medical Examiner's Office concluded during an autopsy performed this week in Burlington.

    "The back-to-front direction of travel of the fatal shot undermines (Kyle Bolaski's) claim that the deceased was pursuing him and that he shot the fatal round in self-defense," Windsor County State's Attorney Robert Sand wrote in a motion which asks the court to increase the bail for shooter Kyle Bolaski of Springfield from $100,000 clear up to a quarter of a million dollars.

    A bail review hearing has been scheduled for Wednesday morning at 9 a.m. at the Windsor District Courthouse in downtown White River Junction to consider Sand's request in light of both the new medical evidence and additional witness statements that have since been obtained by police detectives.

    Bolaski, 24, pleaded not guiolty to second-degree murder and aggravated assault with a weapon last Monday afternoon during an arraignment in which his public defender, attorney Kevin Griffin, described Bolaski as a young man who had simply been in the wrong place at the wrong time when he suddenly found himself on the receiving end of an axe-swinging attack by the enraged Tamburello.

    Based on that account, Sand stressed to the court that he was not prosecuting Bolaski for the first shot he fired - which had hit Tamburello, 32, in the leg resulting in a relatively small, non-life-threatening gunshot wound -- but rather for his second shot to the lower torso which ultimately led Tamburello to bleed to death just over an hour later.

    The supplemental affidavit filed by state police against Bolaski said it was discovered at autopsy that the entry wound for the second shot was located on Tamburello's lower back, "just left of the buttock centerline, near his waistline," and that the "jagged flesh wound" which police on the scene had described seeing near Tamburello's pelvic area was actually the exit wound.

    Witnesses told police that Kyle Bolaski's second shot -- which occurred just moments after Kyle's younger brother Cory Bolaski fired two warning shots into the ground in front of Tamburello -- occurred after Kyle "pursued" Tamburello as the wounded man tried to retreat behind Bolaski's pickup truck. Once Tamburello collapsed from the impact of that second hit, witnesses said, Kyle Bolaski ran up and struck him several times in the face with the butt of his high-powered 30-06 rifle, actions which led to the filing of the aggravated assault charge.

    The autopsy confirmed that Tamburello had "suffered fractures" around his eye socket leading credence to reports he had been struck repeatedly with the heavy gunstock.

    In the initial confused hours following the shooting, witnesses who knew both men characterized Bolaski as a friend of people who Tamburello had been threatening during the preceeding days and thus as someone who just happened to be at the wrong place when Tamburello came calling.

    That impression was reinforced in the courtroom last Monday when defense attorney Kevin Griffin explained to Judge Kathleen Manley that the axe-wielding charge into an angry group moments by Tamburello moments before he was shot was the "tip of the iceberg" when it came to violent acts he'd committed in recent weeks. Griffin said that but for being at the ball field with those friends, what had preceeded Sunday's confrontation, "had absolutely nothing to do with Kyle," and he added that Bolaski did not even know Tamburello.

    It now appears that on the same afternoon Bolaski was using those arguments as part of his defense, his version of events was being unraveled back at the state police barracks in Rockingham where detectives were interviewing his friend Tristan Blanchard, 22, of Chester who gave a completely different account of how the Bolaski brothers and their rifles came to be at the ball field that evening.

    State police said that when they interviewed Kyle Bolaski about the shooting just before midnight last Sunday he told them the reason he was able to grab a 30-06 semi-automatic rifle from his truck, and that his younger brother Cory was able to come up with a .22 caliber rifle from the same cab moments later, was because he "always" kept rifles in his truck and used them to hunt coyotes whenever he was scouting for deer.

    Police said that Blanchard told them that he and the Bolaskis were all in Cory Bolaski's truck along with their friend Jerry Ucci, 21, late Sunday afternoon while, "Kyle and Jerry were drinking Budweiser," which was when Ucci decided to call Tamburello on his cell phone.

    "Blanchard advised he couldn't hear what Vinny was saying but could tell that the conversation was heated and that Jerry made arrangements with Vinny to meet at the baseball field. Blanchard then advised that Jerry contacted Timothy Arbuckle who was at (McKenzie Field) and told him they were on their way and that Vinny was going to meet them there," Vermont State Police Detective Sgt. Walter Smith wrote in his affidavit.

    Next, according to Blanchard, the quartet decided that because the fuel was low in Cory Bolaski's truck they would drive back to his residence and switch to Kyle's pickup for the trip to McKenzie Field. "Kyle transferred the (30-06) rifle from Cory's truck into his," police quoted Blanchard as explaining. "Blanchard advised that that Cory went into the house and came out with a second rifle and placed it inside Kyle's truck as well (then) they all proceeded to (McKenzie) field."

    "I asked Blanchard if, while arrangements were being made to meet Vinny at the ball field and seeing alcohol and firearms being brought into the situation, if any one of them thought to use his cell phone to call the police and he advised they did not," Detective Sgt. Smith noted.

    Smith said that during the interview, which was tape recorded, Blanchard claimed that when they arrived at the ball field and noticed there were quite a few people there, including families, because a ball game had just ended, that he, "told Cory he didn't like what was happening."

    Blanchard told police it was Kyle Bolaski, Tim Arbuckle, and Jerry Ucci who walked up the slope to confront Tamburello who at first was holding up a stun gun and clicking it at them until he suddenly pulled an axe from the car that he'd arrived in and began chasing the group down the hill with it raised over his head.

    Blanchard said he only saw Tamburello hitting Kyle Bolaski's truck with the axe and added that he was still running in the opposite direction when he heard "one or more" gunshots and "turned around to see Vinny lying on the ground," Smith wrote. "Blanchard advised he turned back and continued to run away and then heard several more gunshots."

    Other witnesses told police they saw Tamburello bash out the windows of Bolaski's truck, then saw Bolaski exit the passenger side with the high-powered rifle at which point at least one witness said Tamburello raised his axe at Kyle Bolaski before Bolaski shot him in the leg. Windsor County State's Attorney Robert Sand had said last Monday that the sequence of events available to authorities at that point led him to conclude that first shot was justifiable as self-defense but Sand took a dimmer view in the motion he filed later in the week.

    "Although (Bolaski) claims the guns were in his vehicle as a result of an earlier deer scouting trip, newly-received information makes clear that the guns were deliberately placed in (Bolaski's) truck in anticipation of a confrontation," Sand wrote.

    Among the police reports filed by Sand in support of his motion was a narrative by Springfield Police Officer Dean Fullerton who described his uncompleted investigation into the events involving Tamburello almost exactly 24 hours before he was shot.

    Fullerton said Springfield Police received a report of a large fight on Summer Street early Saturday evening and when he arrived he found, "10 or 12 people yelling and separating themselves."

    Fullerton listed that several people who ended up at the ball field the next evening who were also involved one way or another in Saturday night's incident, including Tristan Blanchard, and Fullerton said both sides charged members of the other side had brandished either knives, tire irons, or been involved in trying to run vehicles off the road both in Chester and Springfield.

    "The story is confusing and it didn't make sense," Fullerton wrote in his affidavit, adding that while Tamburello and his friends had given statements that night, at least four people on the other side, including Blanchard, had not yet provided written statements so the incident remained unresolved. "The case is pending -- more investigation needed," Fullerton wrote, adding, "When I (get the other statements) possible charges could be made."

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  9. #28
    Tiger great to have a friend on here so close by...

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