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    You know, there's one sure way to know if God supports your revolution.... go try it.
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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    Talk about a train going off the tracks.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    I got nothing more to say
    That'll be the day
    Boy! I sure called that one right, didn't I!

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    You know, there's one sure way to know if Gid supports your revolution.... go try it.
    You can't even say whether or not God supported the Revolutionary War, or whether all of our country's Founders and the people who fought and died so that they could write and implement the greatest document ever written by man, are burning in Hell right now due to the damnation they brought upon themselves for revolting against tyranny. All that would be true if we accept yours and/or your pastor's version of Biblical Truth. Further, when confronted with well-researched and well-delivered scholarship that points to both misinterpretations and faulty translations of Romans 13, you ignore it and choose instead to claim to have been "attacked" because the questions were raised! You accused me of laying in wait, instead of participating in a conversation of which my only intent was to better understand the Word. You expose your propensity over and over again for exaggeration, dishonesty and holding grudges for more than a year over an insult delivered in response to that same propensity towards exaggeration and dishonesty! You sully the names of men, women and children who were victims of the same government you invoke Romans 13 to excuse the abuses of! And at least one of those men is a good Bible-believing Christian who lost his son and good Christian wife to government guns, and still submitted to government authority only to be acquitted of all but the lowest, most insignificant charge of failure to appear.

    And now, ostensibly in "reply" to me, you dare me to engage in "my" revolution to find out what Romans 13 really means. The only "revolt" I have said I am personally involved in is supporting a missionary who goes to India at least once a year for months at a time to spread the Word and distribute Bibles in defiance of Indian law. If Romans 13 means what you say it means, then it is contradicted by multitudes of verses commanding us to do exactly what my missionary friend does, and what I support in both thought and deed with a clear and open conscience in the name of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

    Mark 16:15: And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation...

    Jeremiah 1:7-8:
    But the Lord said to me, “Do not say, ‘I am only a youth’; for to all to whom I send you, you shall go, and whatever I command you, you shall speak. Do not be afraid of them, for I am with you to deliver you, declares the Lord.”

    1 Peter 3:15: but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect

    Without a doubt, you know that I could go on and on with Scripture that commands that my mentor and I continue to engage the "revolt" that we do in India. That was my motivation for engaging you, Treo. I am conflicted about wanting to follow all of God's Word, but not being able to reconcile the most common understandings of Romans 13 with all the multitudes of verses which seem to contradict it.

    But I'm sure you know better than I what my motivations were. I was laying in wait to act un-Christ-like towards po' po' pitiful attacked you. I will pray as hard as I can that you get the help you need, Treo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGJOHN621 View Post
    Talk about a train going off the tracks.....
    Having A Right To Carry Does Not Make You A LEO

    Obviously with a topic like this, the conversation will evolve into quoting scripture... What part don't you get?

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    FWIW I did listen to about 20 minutes of Chuck Baldwin’s sermon on Romans 13. I turned off because I I don’t believe his take on it. And I really question his reasoning.

    Please cite a source that isn’t Chuck Baldwin that that confirms that first century Christians believed they weren’t subject to any king but Jesus. Not only is that not historically accurate it’s not scripturally accurate or at least it doesn’t line up with Jesus’ teaching (I.E Render unto Caesar) .

    Second please cite a Scripture that states the God had to implement the 10 commandments because He was trying to curb man’s sin. Again, not scripturally accurate. When I see glaring mistakes like that it causes me to question the speaker’s motive and grasp of his topic.

    I don’t doubt that Chuck Baldwin is sincere but I think he’s sincerely wrong. He’s mixing (IMO) an idolatry of patriotism with Christianity into a religion God never intended.

    The Constitution is a great document, I revere it and (unlike you) I actually have gone to war (a real war not a “we’re at “war” with the JBT war BTW) to support and defend it. (but I’m the coward, got it) But it isn’t God’s word and it’s not gonna last forever and if you revere it or this country above God’s Word you’re an idolater.

    I really would like to understand what you are saying here, you tell me that the government is guilty of all these heinous offenses (and I absolutely agree that it is) and that these offenses would justify a revolt (not that you used those words but that’s the gist I get) so why aren’t you out there in the street? If you truly believe a revolt is justified why aren’t you revolting? Don’t tell me you can walk on water while you’re still in the boat

    Just so we're all clear I am starting a new thought here

    B said If Romans 13 means what you say it means, then it is contradicted by multitudes of verses commanding us to do exactly what my missionary friend does, and what I support in both thought and deed with a clear and open conscience in the name of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

    Now I am gonna agree with Chuck Baldwin on this point, you can’t build a doctrine based on one scripture or passage (nor can you use one scripture or passage and your twisted understanding of someone else’s interpretation of it to win an internet pissing contest) I stated quite clearly that

    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    What I think it is about is as far as it’s in my power I am to live at peace with and obedience to the government. That doesn’t mean I compromise God’s word and it doesn’t mean I condone the actions of the government.
    The Bible makes it clear that our conduct as Christians is to be above reproach so that when we do have to cross the government we don’t present the image of a bunch of malcontented troublemakers.
    I then stated a Biblical example of civil disobedience (You know the very thing you say I don't condone)

    You can’t tell me that you read what I said then tell me that I say that Romans 13 means you obey the government at all cost including disobeying God.


    Without a doubt, you know that I could go on and on with Scripture that commands that my mentor and I continue to engage the "revolt" that we do in India. That was my motivation for engaging you, Treo. I am conflicted about wanting to follow all of God's Word, but not being able to reconcile the most common understandings of Romans 13 with all the multitudes of verses which seem to contradict it.

    Again, new thought. What “common understandings” of Romans 13 are you hearing? I will bet my life that Eric Cartier never said that we obey the government when it means disobeying God’s word. What I have heard him say quite clearly is that if you do engage in civil disobedience (such as preaching the Gospel in a country where it’s frowned upon) you had better be able to support your actions chapter and verse out of the Bible and you had better be prepared to accept the consequences. (Oddly enough someone on this very forum in this very thread said almost the exact same thing. Now who was that?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
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    Go back and read the book of Daniel, Shaddrach, Meshach and Abed-nego were courteous and polite (while refusing to violate the Command of God) right up to the time they threw them in the fire. They also made it clear delivered or not they were going to serve God. (IOW they were perfectly willing to suffer the consequences of their civil disobedience)

    ETA Just an FYI but I would be extremely cautious about assuming that everyone else “misunderstands” a given Scripture and that only my guys “truly understand it” that’s the kind of thinking that lead to Jonestown. /EDIT

    But I'm sure you know better than I what my motivations were. I was laying in wait to act un-Christ-like towards po' po' pitiful attacked you. I will pray as hard as I can that you get the help you need, Treo.

    You might want to get the redwood out of your eye first partner

    Oh, and while I'm thinking about it,

    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    the "revolt" that we do in India.
    Use of that word does not fall within your current scope of practice. When you get back from India then you come talk to me about "we"
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    The Constitution is a great document, I revere it and (unlike you) I actually have gone to war (a real war not a “we’re at “war” with the JBT war BTW) to support and defend it. (but I’m the coward, got it)
    The only time I said you were a coward was more than a year ago when you sat behind your keyboard telling people that they were "praying to God for the chance to get into a gunfight." Your only conceivable rationale for that insult was that they supported a young man who stopped into a Waffle House in the wee hours of the morning for some breakfast after a night shift, and ended up having to kill someone who was busy herding the patrons and employees into a back room at gun point. Not only did you repeatedly insult everyone discussing the incident in support of the shooter's perspective, you even questioned the shooter himself when he joined this site for the express purpose of responding to the Monday-morning-quarterbacks like you who said, just like the OP in this thread, that he was nothing but a cop-wannabe, because he drew his weapon and engaged the armed robber before he was directly threatened. Any one of those kinds of insults said to the face of who they were intended for might not be considered a cowardly utterance. But from the safety of behind your keyboard, it was as far as I was concerned. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. Nothing I've seen from you since serves to contradict that impression. Deal with it, and then get over it already. You say over and over that you don't care what others think of you, so quit bringing up a year-old insult that was specific to one point in time over one specific incident that you and I and a whole bunch of other people were commenting on. It wasn't meant to stand as an irreversible, set-in-stone observation, but your incessant whining about it more than a year later may well make it so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    I really would like to understand what you are saying here, you tell me that the government is guilty of all these heinous offenses (and I absolutely agree that it is) and that these offenses would justify a revolt (not that you used those words but that’s the gist I get) so why aren’t you out there in the street?
    Wow. Just freakin' wow. Every time you post you pull another canard out of your ass that assigns my motivations to me when I have already denied and debunked them! I say the words "I oppose abortion" and you hear "bomb abortion clinics." I say the word "protest" and you hear the words "revolt" or "revolution." Axe can't catch a break for using the word "war," but you just keep pluggin' along with your hyperbole, exaggerations and outright dishonesty unapologetically!

    I have been in the streets. I have gone to WA DC at least five times in the last six or seven years, the last time on March 20 - 22, 2010 to protest the passage of ObamaCare. I have been to Tea Party and 2nd Amendment rallies from Huntsville to Atlanta to Columbia, SC to Ames, IA and beyond.....well beyond, and am a founding member of the Huntsville Chapter of FairTax.org, and have rallied, researched and written extensively in support of tax reform long before the IRS hacks got their asses in a crack over targeting people/organizations just like me/the ones I am active with. I have lobbied my government representatives to the point that my Congressman literally turns the other way when he sees me coming, and then smiles and lies in my face when I pin him down for one (or more) of his most recent transgressions.

    But here's the deal, Treo. I know without a doubt that there are some, maybe even many people, who just read that last paragraph who are thinking, "Yeah, right. Talk is cheap. I'll bet he's never gotten off the couch in his life." People even have the temerity to actually type stuff like that in here, and then if I link to the picture threads chronicling the events for people who couldn't attend for whatever reason, I still get dismissive blather about "How nice for you that you can afford to do that. The rest of us still have to work." Your attitude screams that that's the kind of crap you're thinking! And I don't have to defend what I think OR do to you or anybody else, so take that "why aren't you out in the streets" dismissive blather, and your made-up-out-of-whole-cloth imaginings about me calling for a "revolution," and stick it where the sun don't shine. You don't know a freakin' thing about me except that I criticize cops who murder and beat and torture people in complete contravention to the law that they're sworn to uphold. And anyone who would criticize me or Axe or anyone else for criticizing corrupt, violent and evil cops for our criticisms of them, indeed has earned the moniker of "badgefluffer."

    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    If you truly believe a revolt is justified why aren’t you revolting?
    You just don't ever tire of making sh!t up, do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    Don’t tell me you can walk on water while you’re still in the boat
    So you say you've been to war.....does that mean you can walk on water? Even your metaphors are cognitively dissonant!

    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    Just so we're all clear I am starting a new thought here
    The only "new" thought I've seen you employ here is, "Where's my keyboard? I need to spew some new made-up tripe."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    But here's the deal, Treo. I know without a doubt that there are some, maybe even many people, who just read that last paragraph who are thinking, "Yeah, right. Talk is cheap. I'll bet he's never gotten off the couch in his life."
    I will give you that one, if you say you've done those things then I believe you, even though you fail to give me the same courtesy

    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    So you say you've been to war.....
    And no it doesn't mean I can walk on water it does however mean I have put my money where my mouth is.


    And don't think I've failed to notice that you have completely ignored the meat of my post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    Oh, and while I'm thinking about it,

    Quote Originally Posted by Blues
    the "revolt" that we do in India.
    Use of that word does not fall within your current scope of practice. When you get back from India then you come talk to me about "we"
    You are utterly despicable Treo. You have no more idea what I mean when I say I "support" Michael in his ministry than you did about what I do physically to support/oppose the political issues I involve myself with.

    To try to make someone who supports such a righteous ministry feel small, when even the most insignificant effort/expense is motivated only by a wish to serve the Lord, is the kind of pettiness and spiritual bankruptcy that I wouldn't even expect from an atheist. Again, I will pray for you.

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    This exchange has become nothing more than a pissing contest.

    It presents a horrible example of Christianity as well as an appalling witness for Jesus Christ.

    I apologize.

    I am done
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    "From the article:

    "She said that she was told by the police that an officer asked Waller to put down the weapon, but he would not comply."

    Sounds like a legit shoot to me. As unfortunate as it is for all concerned. If the police tell you to drop your weapon and you refuse to comply, you get what you got coming. "

    That's what they always say. Like the "furtive move" after the shootee turns out to be unarmed.
    Better to perish in the struggle for freedom than live to see defeat. There ARE things to be feared more than death. The fyrd is a Constitutional imperative.

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