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    Quote Originally Posted by yuppor View Post
    says WHO, dude? there's hundreds of claims made here, that are COMPLETE bs, utterly uncheckable, and you never contested a ONE of them, either. :-) Because what I say interferes with your fantasy world, you want me to do your work for you. Like I said, if you want to remain ignorant of the facts, be my guest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yuppor View Post
    google is your friend. The annual crime survey and Uniform Crime report, on DOJ's website are my sources. do you really "think" that 1 million people a year are being SHOT committing crimes? :-) If it happened like that, there'd BE no more attacks on people, after one year, cause the punks whio do such things would all be dead or in wheelchairs! of COURSE they only get shot 1 time in 100 attacks. They don't even face a gun 1 time in 10 such crimes.
    Gary Kleck's research, quoted in an article entitled "Nation of Cowards:"

    Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck, using surveys and other data, has determined that armed citizens defend their lives or property with firearms against criminals approximately 1 million times a year. In 98 percent of these instances, the citizen merely brandishes the weapon or fires a warning shot. Only in 2 percent of the cases do citizens actually shoot their assailants. In defending themselves with their firearms, armed citizens kill 2,000 to 3,000 criminals each year, three times the number killed by the police. A nationwide study by Kates, the constitutional lawyer and criminologist, found that only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The "error rate" for the police, however, was 11 percent, over five times as high.
    2% of 1 million, or 20,000 criminals, are actually fired upon, resulting in 2,000 - 3,000 deaths. Out of 1 million self-defense firearm deployments, only a fraction of a percent result in the death of the criminal.

    Do your homework.


    BTW, yuppor, you want to dispute someone else's claims, then you had better bring the facts to the table the actually support your position; YOUR statement, YOUR responsibility to back it up. So telling someone else to google YOUR claim doesn't fly.

    And FYI, the study I referenced above is one of several that I had researched a few YEARS ago and have had setting on my computer. I have the data on-hand to support my statements.

    Go troll somewhere else.

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